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powerlifter;1520060; said:
Bike (0-4) Hart played 4 years. Beanie (3-0) Wells played 3, and was Pittman's back-up for the first of those. Going pro a year early, in the first round, doesn't really count against Beanie does it?
Jaxbuck;1520083; said:
But Jax's argument is better. Let's go with that.
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NextBuck;1520116; said:
First of all take the stupid fucking pictures to a scout or an ESPN board. As far as it not even being debatable let me just go ahead and try anyway.
Edwards 4 year career numbers
252 rec
3541 yards
39 TD
Holmes 3 year career numbers
140 rec
2295 yds
25 TD
AVG's
63 rec per year/ 47 rec year
885 yds per season/ 765 yds per season
9.75 td per season/ 8.3 td per season
That's with Edwards having Navarre and Henne to throw it to him while Holmes had Krenzel/Zwick and one good year of Troy Smith.
Holmes being the better pro tells me the inflated college stats are to be taken with a grain of salt the same as Bike Harts.
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NextBuck
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Jaxbuck;1520174; said:
You are using Henne to support your argument? Henne was only good his freshman year because of Edwards. Henne just tossed lobs up into the endzone and had Edwards go up and get them.
Edwards had three 1,000 yard seasons, three 10+ TD seasons, and we all know that he wasnt a slouch when it came to the biggest game of the year. Edwards is only the third player in NCAA history to have three straight seasons of 1,000+ receiving seasons.
Obviously stats arent everything, but Edwards was consistent at a very high level for 3 straight years.
Was Holmes better at the big play? Hell yeah, but that is far from everything.
Also dont use Krenzel as a crutch for Holmes because Jenkins had Krenzel for two years and was a better player (statistically) than Holmes.
Shit he is the career leader in the Big 10 at TD's for a WR and holds nearly every Michigan record for a receiver. If that isnt good enough to crack the top two for a decade then I dont know what is.
Also who cares about pro production? Obviously it may be important when looking at overall legacies, but these lists are all about impact/production in college.
Also since were on the topic of pro careers, doesnt your arguement that Holmes didnt have better numbers than Edwards in college because of QB play go out the window considering that Holmes has been in a much better enviorment in Pittsburgh than Edwards. Also comparing their NFL career numbers and both have been nearly the same production wise. I do think that Holmes is the better NFL WR, but he isnt THAT much better to make me look down on Edwards college production.
Both are completely different players, but I think when a WR has three straight 1,000 yard seasons, holds the conference record for TDs, and performs his best against tOSU then we should give respect where it is due.
Holmes needs to worry about beating Jenkins for the best OSU WR this decade IMO.
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ImFrigginFly
O-H!
Big Ten All-Decade Team
I'd like to make a couple corrections:
Pos. Player
QB* Craig Krenzel, Ohio State
RB Maurice Clarett, Ohio State
RB Lydell Ross, Ohio State
WR Chris Gamble, Ohio State
WR Michael Jenkins, Ohio State
TE Ben Hartsock, Ohio State
OL Ivan Douglas, Ohio State
OL Adrien Clarke, Ohio State
OL Alex Stepanovich, Ohio State
OL Bryce Bishop, Ohio State
OL Shane Olivea, Ohio State
DL Darrion Scott, Ohio State
DL Tim Anderson, Ohio State
DL Kenny Peterson, Ohio State
DL Will Smith, Ohio State
LB A.J. Hawk, Ohio State
LB Cie Grant, Ohio State
LB Matt Wilhelm, Ohio State
DB Dustin Fox, Ohio State
DB Chris Gamble, Ohio State
DB Mike Doss, Ohio State
DB Donnie Nickey, Ohio State
K Mike Nugent, Ohio State
P Andy Groom, Ohio State
Ret Chris Gamble, Ohio State
*Honorable Mention: QB Troy Smith, Ohio State
Buckskin86;1520017; said:
I'd like to make a couple corrections:
Pos. Player
QB* Craig Krenzel, Ohio State
RB Maurice Clarett, Ohio State
RB Lydell Ross, Ohio State
WR Chris Gamble, Ohio State
WR Michael Jenkins, Ohio State
TE Ben Hartsock, Ohio State
OL Ivan Douglas, Ohio State
OL Adrien Clarke, Ohio State
OL Alex Stepanovich, Ohio State
OL Bryce Bishop, Ohio State
OL Shane Olivea, Ohio State
DL Darrion Scott, Ohio State
DL Tim Anderson, Ohio State
DL Kenny Peterson, Ohio State
DL Will Smith, Ohio State
LB A.J. Hawk, Ohio State
LB Cie Grant, Ohio State
LB Matt Wilhelm, Ohio State
DB Dustin Fox, Ohio State
DB Chris Gamble, Ohio State
DB Mike Doss, Ohio State
DB Donnie Nickey, Ohio State
K Mike Nugent, Ohio State
P Andy Groom, Ohio State
Ret Chris Gamble, Ohio State
*Honorable Mention: QB Troy Smith, Ohio State
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NextBuck;1520198; said:
The fact Henne did nothing but lob balls up for him to catch as a SR only reinforces my point about how inflated his numbers are. Holmes never got that kind of one man show stat padding treatment.
For 12 games a season over their careers Edwards was good for about 1.5 more catches, 10 more yards and .10 of a TD than Homes who once again had Zwick, Krenzel and 1 good year from Troy Smith to augment his numbers.
But yeah, its not even debatable.
Just like with Beanie and Hart, if I'm picking a team and get to choose WR's it isn't hard to take Holmes over Edwards all day long.
I can see from that last little picture you put in there I made a mistake trying to be respectful of you in the Tebow thread. It won't happen any more.
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NextBuck
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Jaxbuck;1520206; said:
1. We're BSing over football. It's not about respect and not respecting. It's all in good fun. Plus were all Buckeyes, but we just happen to disagree on how players should be judged.
2. Basically Edwards should be on the list just for the fact that he is the conference TD holder for a career and didnt play in a system offense. He went through two different QB's and didn't miss a beat. He had some amazing games against his toughest opponents. How can you say the conference leader in TD's is not worthy of making a all-decade team?
3. I like the pictures. They lighten up the mood.
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AuburnBuckeye
Go Bucks
NextBuck;1520214; said:
I know right! I remember the first time I saw that picture I laughed so hard I fell off my dinosaur.
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NextBuck;1520212; said:
Oh, first its the cup of shut the fuck up picture and now its all good and we're buds? Fuck you you little punk.
Wait let me put this in here so its all in fun
I didn't say that, I said Holmes was better. Learn to fucking read and you won't need so many pictures moron.
I like the ones of your mother chugging cock better.
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NextBuck
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Jaxbuck;1520221; said:Oh, first its the cup of shut the fuck up picture and now its all good and we're buds? Fuck you you little punk.
Wait let me put this in here so its all in fun
I didn't say that, I said Holmes was better. Learn to fucking read and you won't need so many pictures moron.
I like the ones of your mother chugging cock better.
The cup picture was just to BS around after I wrote soo much. Kinda like "good day"
You said in your first post that Edwards should be removed because you think Holmes is better. I disagree and I think he should be on there just for the lone fact that he is the TD leader in Big Ten history. There are other reasons, but that should be reason enough.
lol. "mother chugging cock better". Yup, I think we can all see that you are the mature one here, and me and my evil pictures are ruining this sites integrity.
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OregonBuckeye
Semper Fi Buckeyes
NextBuck, the gifs are my thing. You better be paying me some royalties or something.
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