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Not everyone will chill like Peach and learn the board regs personalities first, so when they just chime in and clearly don't get it, it's not too hard just to say, "No worries, we've got a history here" or somehting like that.... Hell, we joke about post count, but that should be an indicator... I've said over 7000 things here... That should be some indication that you people might have some idea about what I say to Kbuck, and whether I'm being serious or not.

All true, but if I had a vote, which I don't.. I'd still make it members only, based on the idea taht we don't want misperceptions out there, and inside jokes and all that stuff won't help that, so I think that they should be at least interested enought to register to see that kind of thing, and not a casual New Mexico State fan or somthing, just poking around for 20 minutes and then never coming back.
 
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I suppose there is some group of people who will not join the site on account of not being able to see the Open D discussions.... Hard to say... I know a lot of people enjoy the Open D - poli board - stuff and participate mainly in those sections... would they have joined if they didn't know those opportunities existed here?

A good question. I very well may have been one of those people. I knew about BP's existence for a very long time before I joined, and I stopped in now and then and browsed around, but I was pretty content with it being merely informational to me without contributing. Even now, I really enjoy reading the sports forums, but rarely feel the need to participate.

Before I joined, I hadn't really read the open discussion forum much. I just happened to be very bored one day at work and there was a thread I couldn't pass up... So, that's what it took for me to actually join.

How many people are like me? Who knows. Who cares? I certainly don't think it would be much loss to the BP community (especially from the perspective of this being an OSU athletic forum) if people like me never joined.
 
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Well, there is pleanty of legit Open D stuff that this site should be proud of as discussions go... Evo thread, in my view, is an example of a generally intelligent discussion that didn't ever become a pissing match or such.. So, what if we brought back the PCP forum for the "hijinx?"
 
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I would like to post just to how I see the board as one of the "noobs" of this site.I joined Sep. 15th 2005. I only average 1.68 posts a day.(I hate that damn arcade :wink: ) So I figured I'd offer up how things look from my "noob" PoV

I was excited about the Bucks more than normal this year and was looking for a forum that had more than just your normal drivel from people. I did a search and happened upon this site. The first few days after joining I pretty much just browsed around read most of the posts and tried to get familiar with the site. (quite a daunting task, this is an awesome place..kudos and thanks to those who made this place possible.)
Once I thought I had figured out how things went I started trying to chime in with some of my thoughts or articles I had found that might be of interest. I had a few early negative dings, but learned from them and moved on. (sucks being called scUM :) )

BB73 was a tremendous help. He sent me a PM about links and quoting people. ( Thanks again :) ) and when I asked a few days later about other issues I had, he was ready to help. From what I've read on here from other posters I'm sure most everyone would be willing to help if someone just takes the time to ask.

I'm not going to offer up any ideas for how to make some things better. ( I don't think I've been here long enough to do that) But I think you guys have made one hell of a site here that I'm very proud to now be a member of.
 
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BP's organization and exhaustive information on football and recruiting are very attractive... but for some (like myself) it is the video, graphic, OD, and rumor mill forums that set it apart.

what would be nice would be for those forums to be visible (ie forums/? page)... but not accessible until you are a member. I think the video clips would be especially interesting to a visitor. However, I believe the last time I discussed this with clarity vbulletin does not allow you to show the forum unless it is accessible to all, or is password-protected (not a valid option here).
 
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...and not a casual New Mexico State fan or somthing, just poking around for 20 minutes and then never coming back.

Right. And my guess (please correct me if I'm wrong), is that, while some players and recruits may register eventually, the majority of family members will be among the mere browsers. I know there are some exceptions, and some parents and other family members are BP members, but I'm guessing it's a small percentage relative to the number of family members who drop by and simply 'poke around,' which is what led to the suggestion in the first place.
 
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Right. And my guess (please correct me if I'm wrong), is that, while some players and recruits may register eventually, the majority of family members will be among the mere browsers. I know there are some exceptions, and some parents and other family members are BP members, but I'm guessing it's a small percentage relative to the number of family members who drop by and simply 'poke around,' which is what led to the suggestion in the first place.

thank you for reiterating all of that.
 
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BP's organization and exhaustive information on football and recruiting are very attractive... but for some (like myself) it is the video, graphic, OD, and rumor mill forums that set it apart.

what would be nice would be for those forums to be visible (ie forums/? page)... but not accessible until you are a member. I think the video clips would be especially interesting to a visitor. However, I believe the last time I discussed this with clarity vbulletin does not allow you to show the forum unless it is accessible to all, or is password-protected (not a valid option here).

Thats wierd, I've been on other sites that use the vBulliten system and when you click on certain forums, it says you need to log in. Maybe Clarity is just missing something.
 
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I guess one of my main questions is if mods. and administrators are held accountable for their actions? I am aware that most of this may take place behind closed doors but to the rest of us not privy to that information it's tough to know.

This is going to be a difficult situation for any site. It's always hard to ask people to stick themselves out there to serve as peer police, and to redouble their focus on their own language and behavior. In the end, every single one of us is going to come across poorly, over-react, and/or not represent our position and the site well at some point. Like everyone else, we have bad days, bad moments, and it gets reflected in our words and actions. It's harder for those who are saddled with their titles under their names for every single post.

I'll freely admit, that I took the cheesy/easy way out. I removed 'Administrator' under my name, because I wanted to maintain the illusion (just to myself, I suppose) that I could participate in a conversation, even a heated one, without people feeling like it was "them vs. the admin", which I never want it to be. Wearing "admin", I felt like I had to sterilize myself for the most part, which was less fun. Appreciate that the distinction is only in my head really, but that it was there enough that I felt restricted by it. But it's the cheesy/easy way out, because we can't really have everyone do that. People need to know who the mods, admins and senior mods are. So those folks are saddled with the perpetual balancing act. When are you a poster, and when are you a mod? Different hats, only really perceptible to you. There has been a *ton* of conversation amongst the mods and admins, particularly following Tibor's banning, in regards to the boundaries between 'user' X and 'moderator' X. Everyone already understands and appreciates the need for that, but that doesn't make it any easier (on anyone) in the heat of the moment. I have, absolutely, done and said things that I regretted later because of the 'position' I hold on the site. It's unavoidable, and those of us with stronger personalities suffer the most for it.

Here's really all I can offer. If people come to myself, osugrad21, and/or 3yardsandacloud with concerns about mods, senior mods, and admins, we do always take as objective a look at the complaint as possible, and almost always talk about it with the bulk of the moderatorship, and the person in question. I am always interested in how to do things better.

I am a critical person, but I there's nothing and noone I'm more critical of than myself. I don't expect everyone to be the same way, but I do make it clear to everyone who takes on a greater role with the site that we have to police ourselves as well.

Not sure how to say this as simple and clearly as possible, but there is not a single mod, senior mod, or admin on this site that doesn't have my trust and appreciation. That may seem fantastic (in the 'hard to believe' sense) to some, but it's true. Doesn't mean I always agree with them, doesn't mean I think they're always in line with my personal vision of how the site should be represented, does mean that I know I can express concerns to them, and they'll give those concerns due consideration. I also know that every single one of them values this site and community, and wants whats best for it.

We try to be fair. When we fall short, we examine why, and talk about how to prevent the same from happening.

What I'd ask of every user on this site, is consider those you have the biggest differences with, and allow that your perception of them may well be harsher than the reality. Personality differences are a part of 'life' on a forum like this, but sometimes we get so used to conflict with specific people, that we do it out of habit rather than having a real issue with them at that moment.

Of our mods, like of our users, we represent a wide range of approaches, tact, perspectives, voices, use of the language and vision of what BP should be. There's no accident there.

I intend to increase the mod ranks shortly. I'm still a bit unclear by how many. Could be 5, could be 10, could be 20. I don't really know. I don't have a 'cap' for how many mods we should have, because mods (like admins) are users who try to represent the site as best as possible. The more we have, the more like advocates for the user base they are, and the less like authoritative 'police'. That's what I'm shooting for there. Not looking for 'control', but rather for representation.

There are also changes coming to the warning system, both in terms of how the mods use it, but also in terms of how it impacts people who are warned. All in an effort to be as fair, and as 'open' a book as possible when it comes to the more difficult decisions.

In the end, we all do the best we can. I can't ask any more of them, than to hear me (and others) when we come to them with concerns, and I try to be as receptive as possible when they (and others) have to approach me for the same.
 
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It may have been an outdated conversation as well. My earlier suggestion is very low on the totem pole of improvements being suggested in this thread, but might offer up a means to maintain their attraction to visitors.
 
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Not everyone will chill like Peach and learn the board regs personalities first, so when they just chime in and clearly don't get it, it's not too hard just to say, "No worries, we've got a history here" or somehting like that.... Hell, we joke about post count, but that should be an indicator... I've said over 7000 things here... That should be some indication that you people might have some idea about what I say to Kbuck, and whether I'm being serious or not.

When I first started here, I just set back and watched. It took me 2 weeks to know that this was the site for me. I'm a buckeye first and foremost. I believe in sending a PM to a newbie in a heartbeat to stop negatively.

Bullseye
 
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In regards to rep,I too think it has become nearly irrelevant.

If it must stay, maybe an idea that I'm sure has been brought up before, base it off of # of reps. not the amount of power of the person giving it to you.

So a rep from Mili or osugrad21 counts the same as one from tg05. That way you don't have all of the high-ranked members constantly repping each other to keep their rep high.

I've had people pm and rep me b/c they were afraid to ding or call-out a high-repped member because they figured that person would turn around and blow their rep out of the water. I don't think that's a result that was intended when rep was instituted.
 
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Sorry, did I say that before? I can't remember what I already said and what I simply thought about saying... Either way, I think I'm done now. Been a long day...

I don't think you did, I meant it as an important point as to who the audience can be sometimes and what foot we need to put forward... and our best foot is/are the football boards. Not necessarily Rudy Galindo pics and Paint chips.
 
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