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Buckeye Offensive Coordinator Discussion (merged)

This thread's been jacked, I repeat, this thread's been jacked.

Just kidding.

But seriously, instead of all the bitching, let's at least have one thread to brainstorm other potential candidates. Let's try to find some sort of solution. Knowing that Tressel doesn't want to completely lose all control of the offense, I think young, up and coming coaches would fit the mold.

Does anyone else have any ideas?
 
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Assuming it was a possibility to have a true OC, I like your idea best. Young guy who has studied and worked with a top notch OC (Weis), has OH ties, dad is a HS coaching legend in OH, family connection to Tressel, and more. I'm not sure if he would make a jump from the pros to the collegiate ranks, but different things motivate each one of us.
 
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Assuming it was a possibility to have a true OC, I like your idea best. Young guy who has studied and worked with a top notch OC (Weis), has OH ties, dad is a HS coaching legend in OH, family connection to Tressel, and more. I'm not sure if he would make a jump from the pros to the collegiate ranks, but different things motivate each one of us.

trying to persuade an up and coming offensive coach to come here would be a tough sell. look at the dichotomy between the offensive and defensive staff here. With the exception of Heacock, all of the defensive staff have been great younger coaches that were up and coming through the ranks. Dantonio, Snyder, Tucker all went on to bigger jobs. Fickell, Beckman and Haynes all seem like great hires at this juncture. Let's contrast that with the offensive staff. Daniels and Bollman are entrenched here like an Alabama tick in a coon-dog's ear. Dick Tressel isn't exactly a spring chicken either. It's not as if the phone is ringing off the hook with better opportunities for these guys.

Bottom line is that any offensive coach will have to resign himself to the fact that there will be minimal advancement opportunities here as long as JT is the head coach. Honestly, will there be a large market for an OC that doesn't even get to call his own plays on gamedays?
 
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Not ever having been a football coach, I can only answer from the perspective of business. Organizations need to have a learning orientation so that they can remain agile and adapt to changing environmental and competitive forces. This requires a management structure that encourages managers to take risks to try to perform better.

I like Jim Tressel very much but I am beginning to worry about the things that I have seen and heard this year. For whatever reason, Ohio State's offense is not getting the job done and Coach Tressel is the man who is going to have to look deep inside and judge whether he is best placed to fix the problems that exist. No manager can "do it alone" and it sounds like Coach Tressel may be starting to realize that he may need some help.

In my opinion, one cause of our low offensive production is our inability or unwillingness to recognize and adapt to increasing parity in tough defenses. A few years ago, we won because our defense was truly unique. It may still be one of the best in college football, but the gap between it and others has diminished. Texas and Penn State performed as well as we did defensively on the day, because they had to shut down a less potent offense than they put on the field.

When we put a weaker offense on the field than our competitors, there is only so much that the defense can do to win the game.

What Jim Tressel needs is offensive coaches who will say no. He needs to rip this offense apart. It may have to wait to the off-season but he needs to do it. He needs people to disagree with him and to challenge and be challenged by him. I don't think we need anyone else from the northeastern Ohio quadrant. We need fresh blood that is willing to stand and be counted.

I'm not sure that this young man has enough clout to stand up to Jim Tressel, so I don't think that he is a good person for the job.
 
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Not ever having been a football coach, I can only answer from the perspective of business. Organizations need to have a learning orientation so that they can remain agile and adapt to changing environmental and competitive forces. This requires a management structure that encourages managers to take risks to try to perform better.

I like Jim Tressel very much but I am beginning to worry about the things that I have seen and heard this year. For whatever reason, Ohio State's offense is not getting the job done and Coach Tressel is the man who is going to have to look deep inside and judge whether he is best placed to fix the problems that exist. No manager can "do it alone" and it sounds like Coach Tressel may be starting to realize that he may need some help.

In my opinion, one cause of our low offensive production is our inability or unwillingness to recognize and adapt to increasing parity in tough defenses. A few years ago, we won because our defense was truly unique. It may still be one of the best in college football, but the gap between it and others has diminished. Texas and Penn State performed as well as we did defensively on the day, because they had to shut down a less potent offense than they put on the field.

When we put a weaker offense on the field than our competitors, there is only so much that the defense can do to win the game.

What Jim Tressel needs is offensive coaches who will say no. He needs to rip this offense apart. It may have to wait to the off-season but he needs to do it. He needs people to disagree with him and to challenge and be challenged by him. I don't think we need anyone else from the northeastern Ohio quadrant. We need fresh blood that is willing to stand and be counted.

I'm not sure that this young man has enough clout to stand up to Jim Tressel, so I don't think that he is a good person for the job.
:osu: Hows that saying go....if we are always agreeing, then one of us is not needed
 
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:osu: Hows that saying go....if we are always agreeing, then one of us is not needed

And that is what makes BuckeyePlanet the best place to discuss Buckeye sports!

I just want to emphasize that I am NOT bitching about Jim Tressel. I really do think that he will go down as one of the greatest OSU coaches ever. In fact, twenty years from now, we might hold him in the very same esteem in which we hold Woody. However, every manager reaches a point where he needs someone to challenge his worldview. Not in an ugly confrontational way, but in a positive team-oriented approach. That is what Jim Tressel needs in my opinion.

If I were the "manager of this company", I would break the offense down to components and forget the history of it. I'd want to know exactly what we could build, starting all over again. Then, I'd want to look at the trends in college football, the likely developmental path of the top 25 teams and core competitive programs and then I'd challenge the team to choose the best alternative for our own offensive development.

Maybe you might end up with something pretty much like what you have, maybe not. The really excellent companies are those that can honestly make these types of assessments and make the right choices. I believe that everything I hear from Tressel tells me that he is the type of "manager" who leads by example in that way. He has an incredible ability to step back and look at things and critically evaluate his team and his own performance.

I am beginning to worry that OSU fans may begin to question him too finely. This press conference this week was not bad for Ohio State football, but if the press becomes confrontational, it will not help Ohio State football. Rather, I think we need an offensive coordinator who can challenge Jim Tressel to reach for his best, work with him to do it and give him the confidence that he doesn't have to do it all alone.
 
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I don't think a NEW OC will be brought in - I suspect someone like Hazell will get moved into the role (if only to keep him in Columbus for a few more years) or Bollman will actually be given the chance to do the job he is listed as having.

If the DEF is any indication of the way things work, you will see a collection of guys calling plays (just not JT) with a pair on the field and a pair in the box.

Maybe a MAC-level coach will get "promoted" to the OSU staff to offer some more insight.
 
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I wanted to post a scenerio/option and see what other INTELLIGENT posters thought of the idea.?

Intelligent? I'm a fan. Does that qualify? I'm in an awnry mood so stand by.

Just look at the # of championships he's won, regardless of division.?
One, Uno, Eine, une... and I'm very happy he did, but look at the seniors and most of the starters on that team... all of them John Cooper recruits. And I'm sick of no offense... the side of the ball JT handles himself.

If there was some heat from alumni/administration etc to get an offensive coordinator,

I think Tress has got 6 weeks to put some points on the board and if he doesn't there's going to be a shit storm over Big C. Expectations were too high at the beginning of this season and the two losses pointed out the strength of our defense and the ineptness of our offense. The 02 season and victories over Michigan will only carry you so far.

Coach Tressel has made it relatively clear that he is reluctant to turn over the reigns of playcalling.

Again, I think if that's what he wants to control, he's got 6 weeks to keep the job or else it's going to be taken from him.

Josh Mcdaniels has had a brilliant short career learning from Charlie Weiss and Bill Belichik. Josh is currently working with Belichick as the QB coach/OC. Josh has worked with Tom Brady for a few years now, and he would be a great asset to Coach Daniels and our Qb's. He could also help in recruiting etc.

Neat idea, but why would someone with credentials like his come to OSU to be subordinate in play calls? I think he'd demand greater control over the offense, after all it's his reputation that's at stake. He'd want to show that he can plan and carry out his responsibilities.

And most important, do all of you think this would help our program?

I'm firmly in the There's-too-much-talent-to-be-dead-last-in-the- league-in-offense camp. I just can't accept that The Ohio State University can't develope a quarterback, a running back, an o-line that kicks butts and takes names, an offense that when given the ball inside the opponents 30 scores touchdowns.
 
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Yeah, and Jerry Faust sure showed 'em how to coach. JT is in the bigs now and he has 1 National Championship. That's 1 more than 99% of the Div 1A coaches ever win, but it still is only 1.

Well - not picking on your numbers but.

In Div-1A current coaching ranks to name just a few of the top of my head -

JimTressel
Pete Carroll
Llloyd Carr (OK a half share but an NC nonetheless)
Joe Paterno
Bobby Bowden
Bob Stoops
Steve Spurrier (though with a different team)
Larry Coker (am I the only one that thinks its ironic that Miami Vice is coached by a fellow called Coker?)
Fat Phil in The Ville of Knox

There are only 117 Div1A programs - and while my caveman math often fails me I'm pretty sure that 108/117 isn't 99% - and I could easily have forgotten one or two...:biggrin:
 
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