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Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

Which Teams Should the Big Ten Add? (please limit to four selections)

  • Boston College

    Votes: 32 10.2%
  • Cincinnati

    Votes: 19 6.1%
  • Connecticut

    Votes: 6 1.9%
  • Duke

    Votes: 21 6.7%
  • Georgia Tech

    Votes: 55 17.6%
  • Kansas

    Votes: 46 14.7%
  • Maryland

    Votes: 67 21.4%
  • Missouri

    Votes: 90 28.8%
  • North Carolina

    Votes: 39 12.5%
  • Notre Dame

    Votes: 209 66.8%
  • Oklahoma

    Votes: 78 24.9%
  • Pittsburgh

    Votes: 45 14.4%
  • Rutgers

    Votes: 40 12.8%
  • Syracuse

    Votes: 18 5.8%
  • Texas

    Votes: 121 38.7%
  • Vanderbilt

    Votes: 15 4.8%
  • Virginia

    Votes: 47 15.0%
  • Virginia Tech

    Votes: 62 19.8%
  • Stay at 12 teams and don't expand

    Votes: 27 8.6%
  • Add some other school(s) not listed

    Votes: 25 8.0%

  • Total voters
    313
That sounds good but is a bit disingenuous. Football--and athletics overall--are a tiny portion of Ohio State's overall budget and fundraising. Ohio State brings in 7 1/2 times more research dollars than athletic revenue. Don't confuse high visibility with actual economic impact and importance.

Visibility is also what brings in the dollars. Many of those big donors, donate money and attend football games. The football program goes hand in hand with the academic side, so it's not really disingenuous. The recognition from sports definitely helps the academic side. A number of the schools with the highest research dollars, have a major footing in sports(pretty much the big public universities, the rest are essentially Ivy leaguers). So its a very true statement

https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-medical-schools/most-research-money-rankings
 
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Visibility is also what brings in the dollars. Many of those big donors, donate money and attend football games. The football program goes hand in hand with the academic side, so it's not really disingenuous. The recognition from sports definitely helps the academic side. A number of the schools with the highest research dollars, have a major footing in sports(pretty much the big public universities, the rest are essentially Ivy leaguers). So its a very true statement

https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-medical-schools/most-research-money-rankings

Athletic fundraising is between six and eight percent of overall fundraising at Ohio State. Two of our most successful multi-year fundraising campaigns occurred when the football team was down (late Bruce/early Cooper years and again at the end of the Cooper era). People were very frustrated with the program, yet they set records for those campaigns. Football success drives athletic donations and nothing else. Nobody is donating to the medical school or history department based on the football team's record. Tell me, why do Illinois and Minnesota have multi-billion dollar endowments while Alabama and LSU can't crack a billion? Why do they do multiples of research funding over schools like Oklahoma or Clemson? Athletics and academics can both be strong at the same university, but the latter does not depend on the former. Cal sucks at everything other than Olympic sports. UCLA hasn't been relevant in football in a generation. Yet, those are two of the top (if not the top two) public universities in the country. Sure seems like low visibility football programs aren't hindering their academics one bit while the high visibility football programs don't seem to be doing much for elevating the academics at Clemson or Oklahoma. Schools are good at academics and academic fundraising if they choose to put those issues at the forefront of the university's priorities, not upon how well their football program is doing.

Page 30 lists the top public research universities in the country. Take a look at the top twenty. Some are football powerhouses. Some are mid-level programs. Some are historic bottom feeders. Some don't even play football at the FBS level. I see zero link and causality between big time foosball and big time academics.
 
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The American Athletic Conference will be in "aggressive pursuit" of what's left of the Big 12 — including TCU, Texas Tech and Baylor — in the coming weeks, should Texas and Oklahoma successfully bolt for the SEC, the Houston Chronicle confirmed in a report published Saturday. The AAC is annually the most competitive Group of 5 league and has been represented in New Year's Six bowl games in recent years by Cincinnati, UCF and Memphis.

"The source said it's unlikely the Big 12 survives the loss of its top two revenue-producing school, which would set off a scramble for the remaining schools to find a new home once the league’s grant-of-rights agreement ends in 2025," the Chronicle's Joseph Duarte writes. "However, if the Big 12 looks to expand, one source said there are no schools that would bring significant value."
 
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Just read the comments to see how delusional that fanbase is. Holy shit. They think the B1G would hurt their brand and besides wrestling what does the B1G have. Some say the PAC 12 is better for their basketball program. How do these people live?

It's all about football and TV revenue. OU is the prize school in Oklahoma, not Okie Like.

The only conference that will be actively pursuing the Big XII leftovers will be the AAC, which will essentially demote them to a "Gang Of Five" status school. The Big XII will try to poach some schools from the AAC to stay in existence and the AAC will try to add the leftover Big XII to (theoretically) gain prestige/importance. It will be interesting to see which conference "consumes" the other one.
 
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I haven't jumped on the Warren hate train yet, but if he is seriously considering going and taking the SEC's Big 12 leftovers, schools that bring nothing to the table in terms of football, markets or academics then fuck him. We might as well call ourselves the Gimp conference, because that's what we'll be. The SEC's gimp.

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I haven't jumped on the Warren hate train yet, but if he is seriously considering going and taking the SEC's Big 12 leftovers, schools that bring nothing to the table in terms of football, markets or academics then fuck him. We might as well call ourselves the Gimp conference, because that's what we'll be. The SEC's gimp.

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Pretty much OK steate should be dead in the water. Kansas should only be a maybe and probably only with one of UT and OU which seems like unlikely. Raiding the ACC or the California teams from the PAC12 is probably the only option at this point
 
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Athletic fundraising is between six and eight percent of overall fundraising at Ohio State. Two of our most successful multi-year fundraising campaigns occurred when the football team was down (late Bruce/early Cooper years and again at the end of the Cooper era). People were very frustrated with the program, yet they set records for those campaigns. Football success drives athletic donations and nothing else. Nobody is donating to the medical school or history department based on the football team's record. Tell me, why do Illinois and Minnesota have multi-billion dollar endowments while Alabama and LSU can't crack a billion? Why do they do multiples of research funding over schools like Oklahoma or Clemson? Athletics and academics can both be strong at the same university, but the latter does not depend on the former. Cal sucks at everything other than Olympic sports. UCLA hasn't been relevant in football in a generation. Yet, those are two of the top (if not the top two) public universities in the country. Sure seems like low visibility football programs aren't hindering their academics one bit while the high visibility football programs don't seem to be doing much for elevating the academics at Clemson or Oklahoma. Schools are good at academics and academic fundraising if they choose to put those issues at the forefront of the university's priorities, not upon how well their football program is doing.

Page 30 lists the top public research universities in the country. Take a look at the top twenty. Some are football powerhouses. Some are mid-level programs. Some are historic bottom feeders. Some don't even play football at the FBS level. I see zero link and causality between big time foosball and big time academics.


This is why I say go with the football only semi pro league approach. NIL was the last thing we needed. It's easy to do now (relatively speaking).

You can't have football focused conference realignment creating issues for the actual universities and non revenue sports when it's so easy to just separate football and win for everyone.
 
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The best option at this point is to convince everyone else to stand pat and insist that the playoffs don’t expand. If they do that, then the SEC going to 16 teams will be remembered as one of the biggest self-owns in sports history.

Or we could just join in the mad rush to expansion, which will make the B1G’s next move one of the biggest self-owns in sports history
 
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The best option at this point is to convince everyone else to stand pat and insist that the playoffs don’t expand. If they do that, then the SEC going to 16 teams will be remembered as one of the biggest self-owns in sports history.

Or we could just join in the mad rush to expansion, which will make the B1G’s next move one of the biggest self-owns in sports history


The 4 Cali schools, Oregon and UW wouldn't be a self own (of all the proposals I've seen flying around).
 
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The best option at this point is to convince everyone else to stand pat and insist that the playoffs don’t expand. If they do that, then the SEC going to 16 teams will be remembered as one of the biggest self-owns in sports history.

Or we could just join in the mad rush to expansion, which will make the B1G’s next move one of the biggest self-owns in sports history

We need to stand pat or go big. This notion of even considering WVU, KU, ISU, OSU-Lite or dare I say it Juggalo State sickens me to the base of my nuts. If we can't shake the earth by raiding what we want out of the ACC or merging with the best of the PAC (my preferred option) then just stand down.
 
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The 4 Cali schools, Oregon and UW wouldn't be a self own (of all the proposals I've seen flying around).

It would be Prestige Motherfucking Worldwide. 6 major media markets (7 since you could basically add Vegas where Ohio State is already the top team), a football blue blood, a basketball blue blood, Nike U, 5 academically prestigious universities and a 6th that's at least decent and not in danger of losing its AAU membership, Olympic sports out the ass (we just sent our largest Olympics contingent ever at 26; Cal doubled that at 52).
 
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