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Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

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Which Teams Should the Big Ten Add? (please limit to four selections)

  • Boston College

    Votes: 32 10.2%

  • Cincinnati

    Votes: 19 6.1%

  • Connecticut

    Votes: 6 1.9%

  • Duke

    Votes: 21 6.7%

  • Georgia Tech

    Votes: 55 17.6%

  • Kansas

    Votes: 46 14.7%

  • Maryland

    Votes: 67 21.4%

  • Missouri

    Votes: 90 28.8%

  • North Carolina

    Votes: 39 12.5%

  • Notre Dame

    Votes: 209 66.8%

  • Oklahoma

    Votes: 78 24.9%

  • Pittsburgh

    Votes: 45 14.4%

  • Rutgers

    Votes: 40 12.8%

  • Syracuse

    Votes: 18 5.8%

  • Texas

    Votes: 121 38.7%

  • Vanderbilt

    Votes: 15 4.8%

  • Virginia

    Votes: 47 15.0%

  • Virginia Tech

    Votes: 62 19.8%

  • Stay at 12 teams and don't expand

    Votes: 27 8.6%

  • Add some other school(s) not listed

    Votes: 25 8.0%
  • Total voters
    313
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LordJeffBuck said:
Your analysis is spot on, of course, but it doesn't even touch the "retarded and ignorant" Big XVI (current Big XII), which would be left with THREE Power5 teams, and would have no business being involved in any kind of big boy football - Air Force? North Texas? Wyoming? Tulsa? Louisiana Tech? Are you fucking kidding me? These are schools that the Ohio States and Alabamas of the CFB world schedule in early September for an easy 50-point ass kicking.

As far as the Big Ten goes, I don't think they'd ever take Kansas and Iowa State because they offer nothing - no academic prestige, no football prestige, no TV markets. The only way that the Big Ten would ever take those bottom feeders is if they were part of some kind of package deal ... and with Texas and Oklahoma going to the SEC, who else could you package with Iowa State and Kansas? Nobody, that's who.

Go West or stay home ... Big-Pac merger or bust.
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If the B1G added LA it would have 8 of the top 10 TV markets in the United States within its footprint. ESPN doesn't realize losing 3/4 of the country isn't a good business model. Does ESPN think Chicago, New York, LA etc give a good goddamn about the SEC?
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
If the B1G added LA it would have 8 of the top 10 TV markets in the United States within its footprint. ESPN doesn't realize losing 3/4 of the country isn't a good business model. Does ESPN think Chicago, New York, LA etc give a good goddamn about the SEC?
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It’s the same reason they thought it would be smart to pay a shitload of money for the Spanish league. El Classico happening? Yeah, people gonna tune it for that. But ain’t no American gonna give a fuck when Getafe is playing Betis. When #1 Alabama is playing #3 LSU, everyone’s gonna watch. But Oklahoma vs. South Carolina? Good luck with national appeal for that one.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
If the B1G added LA it would have 8 of the top 10 TV markets in the United States within its footprint. ESPN doesn't realize losing 3/4 of the country isn't a good business model. Does ESPN think Chicago, New York, LA etc give a good goddamn about the SEC?
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I still think Kansas poses an easy opportunity to solidify the B1G basketball brand which will ultimately allow the conference to slam the door entirely on ESPN year round.

ESPN’s BB coverage will feature mostly ACC and a little SEC as far as strong brands. It will have to go head to head against the B1G ‘s newly cemented leadership in BB:
Kansas. Vs. UNC
Michigan State vs Duke
Michigan. Vs Kentucky
Indiana. Vs. Florida
UCLA. Vs. LSU
Ohio State. Vs. Tennessee
Purdue. Vs. Louisville
Wisconsin vs. Syracuse
Oregon. Vs. FSU
Maryland. Vs NCSU
Iowa. Vs. Mizzou
Minnesota. Vs. Arkansas
Illinois. Vs. Wake Forest
USC vs Texas
Northwestern vs Vanderbilt
Colorado vs Ole Miss
Washington vs Oklahoma
Arizona State vs Texas A&M
Stanford vs Norte Dame
Arizona vs Boston College
Penn State vs Mississippi State
Rutgers vs Georgia
Nebraska vs Pitt
Utah vs UVA
California vs Georgia Tech
Plus Oregon State and Washington State


The new B1G vs the combination SEC + ACC
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
No way in hell is this true. It can't be. For one thing tsun's superiority complex would never allow them to mingle with SEC rabble much less be seen as having been brought along on their Daddy's coattails. As for OSU, they'd see the last dollar from me.

https://rubbingtherock.com/2021/07/23/clemson-football-sec-serious-contact/

OTOH, if the SEC is really trying to form the Death Star super conference, then it really pushes the B1G to get off the pot and think about bringing in the best of the PAC.
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And now, introducing NFL Lite! That's right folks, thanks to the SEC, BIG, NIL, and ESPN we've been able to gather all the best teams in college football and put them into a league of their own; a brand new Friday night, all day Saturday league.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
If the B1G added LA it would have 8 of the top 10 TV markets in the United States within its footprint. ESPN doesn't realize losing 3/4 of the country isn't a good business model. Does ESPN think Chicago, New York, LA etc give a good goddamn about the SEC?
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TV markets is just an antiquated way to evaluate things. California football participation in high schools dropped by 15,000 students from 2014-2019. It’s only going to get worse in this decade. The left coast is not producing linemen like they used to in particular (just put on the tape of OSU/USC in the Cotton Bowl a few years ago vs one of the games from 10 years prior). Cali kids would be more inclined to stay home if the Big Ten hands them a better national TV contract than what they’ve got now, so that also doesn’t help any existing conference members.

IMHO raiding the ACC is the play here. Need to go south along the East Coast. Atlanta and Charlotte are every bit as good as what any city in the PAC offers in terms of viewership and market penetration, and it helps the product on the field in the current footprint in multiple sports. Hobbling the ACC hurts ESPNs bottom line too, so that’s a bonus.

Plus, poaching a school like UNC strengthens the inventory of BTN.

Big Ten ICON: Michael Jordan.
 
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Dryden said:
IMHO raiding the ACC is the play here. Need to go south along the East Coast. Atlanta and Charlotte are every bit as good as what any city in the PAC offers in terms of viewership and market penetration, and it helps the product on the field in the current footprint in multiple sports. Hobbling the ACC hurts ESPNs bottom line too, so that’s a bonus.
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So UNC, Duke, Georgia Tech, and Vandy.... I'd be okay with that.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
So UNC, Duke, Georgia Tech, and Vandy.... I'd be okay with that.
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There’s also an argument for conceding football supremacy (which is waning with concussion awareness and declining participation) to build a hybrid super conference that’s strongest in men’s basketball. Reach out to Kansas, Kentucky, UNC, and Duke.

Or split the difference and grab Kentucky, UNC, USC, and UCLA.

If 16 or 20 team super conferences are in play, the Big Ten is hamstringing itself viewing this through the lense of football. Men’s basketball has more than double the live inventory across a broadcast calendar that runs two months longer.
 
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pnuts34 said:
This has been coming for some time, and NIL only forced the hand of Super conferences and showed how powerless the NCAA once the Supreme Court ruled against them. I predicated a 4 Super conference model a few years ago, and no one took me serious. CFB has been turning into the NFL every single year, and the coaches salaries, the arms race for facilities only brought this even closer. A lot of fans have a problem with NIL, but are fine with their coach making 5+mil/yr, or having TVs in every locker, waterfalls, nutritionists, custom trophy rooms, etc etc, CFB has been semi-pro football for years, the only thing missing was that the people actually doing the playing weren't getting paid. So all that changed is we stopped actin like CFB is all about amateurs anymore. Its hard to say that these guys are amateurs in the world of recruiting and social media. I'm sure there some people who know more about recruits than they do members of their own family. I'm all for the @Jaxbuck model, and let's stop acting like CFB players are comparable to regular students. Like James Caan said in the Program "when's the last time 100,000 people watched a chemistry exam"? :roll1:

For people who want "traditional" college football, with unpaid players and guys playing "for the love"(essentially they're not good enough to be paid with the big boys), then go watch D2 and D3, NAIA. Schools like ONU(my daughter's current school, go Polar Bears), Heidelberg, Wisconsin-Whitewater, Mt Union would love a higher attendence. But don't complain when the quality isn't what you were used to...
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That sounds good but is a bit disingenuous. Football--and athletics overall--are a tiny portion of Ohio State's overall budget and fundraising. Ohio State brings in 7 1/2 times more research dollars than athletic revenue. Don't confuse high visibility with actual economic impact and importance.
 
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Dryden said:
There’s also an argument for conceding football supremacy (which is waning with concussion awareness and declining participation) to build a hybrid super conference that’s strongest in men’s basketball. Reach out to Kansas, Kentucky, UNC, and Duke.

Or split the difference and grab Kentucky, UNC, USC, and UCLA.

If 16 or 20 team super conferences are in play, the Big Ten is hamstringing itself viewing this through the lense of football. Men’s basketball has more than double the live inventory across a broadcast calendar that runs two months longer.
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Fully agree. If the B1G doesn’t act, the SEC could snatch the schools it needs to become the dominant basketball conference as well.

lower hanging fruit:
Kansas
Kentucky
West Virginia
Missouri

tall tasks:
UNC
Duke
UVA

First merge with Pac12
 
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