Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[ORD_Buckeye]

I'll say it right now. If the B1G lets them in under any circumstances other than as a single school, with a single vote and a single and equal split of the revenue, The Big Ten is dead. You can bury it right then and there.

I have a feeling they'll wait for the Big 12-Conference USA hybrid to stumble along until 2025 (when the GOR expires) and then they'll bolt and try independence until 2031 (when the LHN contract expires).

 

[LitlBuck]

My dream scenario would be for OU and Kansas to bolt for the SEC while Texas refuses B1G's conditions to ditch the LHN and play by BIG rules and then wanders in the wilderness as an Indy for a decade while we raid the ACC for UVA & UNC.

I do not understand why you do not think that Oklahoma would be good for the B1G. I think you have mentioned that they are not a member of the AAU but I also thought that Nebraska had lost its membership in the AAU.

 

[FCollinsBuckeye]

I do not understand why you do not think that Oklahoma would be good for the B1G. I think you have mentioned that they are not a member of the AAU but I also thought that Nebraska had lost its membership in the AAU.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/university-of-oklahoma-3184

#108 ranking doesn't scream 'elite academic institution'...

Of course, UNL's #103 isn't much better.

 

[BigWoof31]

http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...dorsement-yet-from-big-ten-coach-urban-meyer/


UC gets some respect from an unexpected source! Corch is pumping up his alma mater.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

08-13-2016 01:42 PM#60915hiphopfroggyII

Originally Posted by sdhornesq
If this, how desperate is the BigXII?

Hard to find a better argument for killing the conference and moving on than this list.
Rice Tulane and Cinci don't seem desperate to me, they are all great regional markets with great academics and SWC/Big East/SEC 1history.

Please tell me that this is a Juggalo on there pimping UC and that no rationale human being actually believes this. Only someone whose sole frame of reference is reading Juggalono's tweeters could post such nonsense.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...dorsement-yet-from-big-ten-coach-urban-meyer/


UC gets some respect from an unexpected source! Corch is pumping up his alma mater.

Meh, unlike the morons on the shag, he just realizes that UC will never be a threat or rival to Ohio State whether they're in the Big East, AAC or B12. They'll always be 4th or 5th fiddle in their little corner of the state and completely irrelevant in the rest of it.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Even the juggalo faculty understand that UC runs one of the most fiscally irresponsible athletic programs in the country and the marginal increase in revenue from a partial share of B12 revenue would most likely be offset by even more spending.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/opi...ng-athletic-arms-race-irresponsible/88584650/

In fairness to the juggalos, these same arguments could be made against any of the B12 candidates as well as any MAC mid-major type program.

 

[CFPBuckeye]

Even the juggalo faculty understand that UC runs one of the most fiscally irresponsible athletic programs in the country and the marginal increase in revenue from a partial share of B12 revenue would most likely be offset by even more spending.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/opi...ng-athletic-arms-race-irresponsible/88584650/

In fairness to the juggalos, these same arguments could be made against any of the B12 candidates as well as any MAC mid-major type program.

I think I would be pretty pissed, as a student, that my tuition didn't go towards inproving academics, rather fixing the poor financial decisions of the athletic department. Athletic money is supposed to come from athletics and possibly help academics, not take away from academics. It is a university first.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

I think I would be pretty pissed, as a student, that my tuition didn't go towards inproving academics, rather fixing the poor financial decisions of the athletic department. Athletic money is supposed to come from athletics and possibly help academics, not take away from academics. It is a university first.

The combined athletic subsidies of UC and the Ohio MAC schools (with UC being the worst offender and one of the worst in the country) last year was $168M.

That's $168M that was taken away from scholarship money, hiring faculty or building upkeep and improvements. It's something so outrageous that the state legislature needs to step in and put a cap on athletic subsidies which is what happened in Virginia and is being seriously discussed in many other states.

 

[LovelandBuckeye]

They'll always be 4th or 5th fiddle in their little corner of the state

Been 12 years since I have lived there but let me take a stab at this.

Football Season
1a. Notre Dame
1b. Ohio State
2. Michigan (They feel the need to be different)
3. Whatever SEC SEC SEC team ESPiN is pimping that day
4. Oregon
5. Cincinnati

Basketball Season
1. Kentucky (#1 by a mile or two)
2. Cincinnati
3. Xavier
4a. Michigan
4b. Notre Dame
5. Indiana
6. Ohio State
7. Whatever ESPiN tells them to like.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

I was thinking​

1) Bengals
2) Reds (until season is over)
3) Notre Dame
4) Ohio State
5) Juggalo
6) UK

Now, Michigan might come back if Harbaugh makes them a national power, and Juggalo might creep up to a narrow plurality over ND and OSU in an Ohio's BCS School kind of year, but that bandwagon empties quickly when they slide back to 7-5 two years later.

Basketball

1) UK
2) Juggalo
3) Xavier
4) Ohio State

The bottom line is that Juggalo doesn't come close to "delivering" the Cincy metro market and is completely irrelevant in the rest of the state. Even as close as Dayton is, it's a solid Ohio State town.

 

[TooTall]

I was thinking​

1) Bengals
2) Reds (until season is over)
3) Notre Dame
4) Ohio State
5) Juggalo
6) UK

Now, Michigan might come back if Harbaugh makes them a national power, and Juggalo might creep up to a narrow plurality over ND and OSU in an Ohio's BCS School kind of year, but that bandwagon empties quickly when their back to 7-5 two years later.

Basketball

1) UK
2) Juggalo
3) Xavier
4) Ohio State

The bottom line is that Juggalo doesn't come close to "delivering" the Cincy metro market and is completely irrelevant in the rest of the state. Even as close as Dayton is, it's a solid Ohio State town.

This is true.

Football here:
1. Ohio State



2. Notre Dame
3. the occasional douchebag scUM fan
4. some bandwagon SEC schmuck

Basketball:
1. UD
2.Ohio State
3. Kentucky

UC isn't even close to any of the teams listed above in Dayton.

 

[LovelandBuckeye]

I remember all of the Duke fans the popped up out of nowhere in the 90s. They at least hung on unlike those UNLV fans that disappeared pretty quick.

I didn't include pro teams because I assumed they were a given. I used to pull for bUCkeye state until those assholes created sweet things like Ohio's BCS Team.

 

[GoBucks1014]

This is true.

Football here:
1. Ohio State



2. Notre Dame
3. the occasional douchebag scUM fan
4. some bandwagon SEC schmuck
5. If you live in/around Beavercreek, you have to add Va.Tech. There's a lot of Va. Tech flags/bumper stickers around the Creek. Must be the engineering crowd at Wright-Patt?

Basketball:
1. UD
2.Ohio State
3. Kentucky
4. Wright St.

UC isn't even close to any of the teams listed above in Dayton, until you get to Franklin-Middletown.

 

[kujirakira]

I think I would be pretty pissed, as a student, that my tuition didn't go towards inproving academics, rather fixing the poor financial decisions of the athletic department. Athletic money is supposed to come from athletics and possibly help academics, not take away from academics. It is a university first.

This should be how it works, but it isn't how it's worked nationally for at least a decade. Probably closer to 2 decades or even more.
Anymore, most D1 programs are subsidized by the academic side. That would go for every Mid Major, and most of the P5 schools. Few schools have the income of Ohio State, Texas, Bama, etc. or the patrons of Oregon.

That said, I'm fine if we're mostly talking about subsidizing Olympic sports etc. But when you have to subsidize the football and basketball programs... something is very wrong. Most of these schools, if they were honestly fulfilling their fiduciary responsibilities to their customers (students) would go back to DIAA imo.