Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[cincibuck]

I was thinking​

1) Bengals
2) Reds (until season is over)
3) Notre Dame
4) Ohio State
5) Juggalo
6) UK
Now, Michigan might come back if Harbaugh makes them a national power, and Juggalo might creep up to a narrow plurality over ND and OSU in an Ohio's BCS School kind of year, but that bandwagon empties quickly when they slide back to 7-5 two years later

Basketball

1) UK
2) Juggalo
3) Xavier
4) Ohio State

The bottom line is that Juggalo doesn't come close to "delivering" the Cincy metro market and is completely irrelevant in the rest of the state. Even as close as Dayton is, it's a solid Ohio State town.

Pretty much nails it.

 

[cincibuck]

This is true.

Football here:
1. Ohio State



2. Notre Dame
3. the occasional douchebag scUM fan
4. some bandwagon SEC schmuck

Basketball:
1. UD
2.Ohio State
3. Kentucky

UC isn't even close to any of the teams listed above in Dayton.

Been awhile since I lived in Dayton, but yep, that's how I remember it.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

I've been reading the Shag's expansion thread, and what kills me are the know-it-alls (yeah, Texas know-it-alls, who woulda thunk) who are so certain that they understand Ohio culture yet get it completely wrong. One has said that the juggalos will become the anti-Ohio State team for all of Ohio. .

A. The rest of Ohio doesn't like the city of Cincinnati (for legit reasons) and feels no connection to the corner of the state that doesn't want to be part of Ohio, yet they'll somehow adopt Cincinnati's local commuter school as the object of their affection? For Christ's sake, this has already been disproven during their Big East and "Ohio's BCS School" days. They gained exactly squat in fanbase and relevance outside of the tri-county area despite being in a major conference, winning it and going to two BCS bowls. On top of the cultural/emotional disconnect that the vast majority of Ohioans feel towards Cincinnati, .........

B. The anti-Ohio State fan already has schools they root for. They're called Notre Dame and Michigan along with whatever's trendy at the moment (Miami fan became Tennessee and FSU fan then was briefly Miami fan again before becoming USC fan before becoming SEC! fan).

Then again, this is the same imbecile who said that UC suffered academically because they were a private school (erroneous, they were a municipal school, not private) that was held back by Ohio State doing every dirty trick, which begs the question of how Ohio State (and the legislature) managed to hold back a private school. Did we hold back Case? The Cleveland Clinic? Nor did we give two shits, much less hold them back, when they were elevated to the Big East because Ohio State simply didn't care. The juggalos were no threat in their last weak, unstable big boy conference, and they'll be no threat in their new weak, unstable big boy conference. In all the juggalos' time in the Big East with a string of hot young coaches (Dantonio, Kelly and Jones) they never signed a single recruit who had an Ohio State offer. Not one, not even one from the Cincy metro area.

I don't want them to get into the Big 12, not out of the slightest fear of any impact it might have on Ohio State. I don't want them to get in because I want to taste these mongoloids' tears rather than listening to mindless and groundless chest-thumping coming out of not only their juggalo fan and alumni base but out of the school and AD itself. No thanks. I'll take the tears.

 

[Buckeye86]

UC to the Big 12 would be a classic example of failing upwards; and more a sign of how far the B12 has fallen rather than any indication that UC has magically become relevant by doing nothing remotely notable for the past however many years.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Elvis had a blackbelt

Bruce Lee wasn't too worried about him

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

UC to the Big 12 would be a classic example of failing upwards; and more a sign of how far the B12 has fallen rather than any indication that UC has magically become relevant by doing nothing remotely notable for the past however many years.

Reading the Shag (and it greatly reinforces my decision to get off there), one would believe that UC is a great academic school when they're actually the 4th best public undergraduate in Ohio and, outside of the med school, much closer to a MAC school than a Big Ten school as a research university). They also seem to believe that the juggalos have some kind of actual football history. In the all time AP rankings and stats that were just released, the juggalos were only ranked 41 times in the 80 year history of the poll. BTW, that's not 41 years. It's 41 WEEKS, and they only ended up in the final top 10 ONCE in those 80 years, which was the year that they ended with the high note of getting gaped by Florida in the Sugar Bowl. The juggalos had a brief 5 year window of relevance in a dying Big East before promptly leveling back to their historical norm of mediocrity and irrelevance. They have no football history, have ZERO Olympic sports, one of the most financially dysfunctional athletic departments in the country and a basketball "history" that is based on the cobwebbed trophies of two titles won more than half a century ago. In the subsequent 53 years, they've been to exactly ONE Final Four, and that was with Huggins' UNLV Of The East program of 0% graduation rates, punched horses and front cover Sports Illustrated exposes.

If that's the Big 12's sure-fire top of the heap lock for the #11 spot, you're right. It says a lot more about what a shitshow that conference is than anything positive about UC.

Then again, I guess I can understand how Longhorn fan would see a five year window of prominence amidst decades of mediocrity as something more impressive than it really is.

 

[Buckeye86]

Reading the Shag (and it greatly reinforces my decision to get off there), one would believe that UC is a great academic school when they're actually the 4th best public undergraduate in Ohio and, outside of the med school, much closer to a MAC school than a Big Ten school as a research university). They also seem to believe that the juggalos have some kind of actual football history. In the all time AP rankings and stats that were just released, the juggalos were only ranked 41 times in the 80 year history of the poll. BTW, that's not 41 years. It's 41 WEEKS, and they only ended up in the final top 10 ONCE in those 80 years. The juggalos had a brief 5 year window of relevance in a dying Big East before promptly leveling back to their historical norm of mediocrity and irrelevance. They have no football history, have ZERO Olympic sports, one of the most financially dysfunctional athletic departments in the country and a basketball "history" that is based on the cobwebbed trophies of two titles won more than half a century ago. Since then, they've been to exactly ONE Final Four in the last fifty years, and that was with Huggins' UNLV Of The East teams of 0% graduation rates, punched horses and front cover Sports Illustrated exposes.

If that's the Big 12's sure-fire top of the heap lock for the #11 spot, you're right. It says a lot more about what a [Mark May]show that conference is than anything positive about UC.

Then again, I guess I can understand how Longhorn fan would see a five year window of prominence amidst decades of mediocrity as something more impressive than it really is.

UC has the reputation of having a good engineering school- or at least that is what I was told when I was looking at schools over a decade ago.

I went on a visit, and the drive from downtown Cincinnati to UCs campus eliminated them from consideration before I even saw the school.

That doesn't really add anything to the conversation- but that is the extent of my interaction with UC (outside of obnoxious sports fans) as an Ohioan who briefly considered them for undergrad.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

UC has the reputation of having a good engineering school- or at least that is what I was told when I was looking at schools over a decade ago.

Decent but nowhere near Big Ten level. Again, outside of Aerospace, closer to a MAC school than to Ohio State. In the B12, I'd guess they might, at best, be engineering peers to Texas Tech or KSU.

Here are the National Research Council rankings comparing them to Ohio State and the nearest MAC school.

ENGINEERING DISCIPLINES
Chemical: Ohio State 15-45.....UC 50-87.....Akron 75-102
Mechanical: Ohio State 26-64.....UC 58-90......Toledo 58-103
Electrical: Ohio State 17-36.....UC 41-73.......OU 86-122
Civil: Ohio State 22-66.....Akron 49-109......UC 61-129
Materials: Ohio State 11-26......Akron (specific program in polymers) 20-62....UC 52-73
Aerospace: UC 24-29.....Ohio State 25-31

And not a single National Academy of Engineering member on faculty--frickin' Akron has one. Ohio State has 13, and Case has 8. No members of the National Academy of Sciences either. Not a single member of either National Academy! Does that sound like a school that's anywhere near sniffing an invite into the AAU? I guess that's something that JuggalOno forgot to tweet to his disciples.

 

[Zurp]

I've got nothing to add, except that I love it when their fans whine about how Ohio State is scared to play them. I think I counted that Ohio State played UC something like 4 or 5 times since and including maybe 1999. Of all non-conference teams, that was the most Ohio State had played any team, except maybe San Diego State, or San Jose State, who were tied with UC (or maybe had 1 more game).

"But they won't ever play us in our house, because they're scared!!!" Ohio State won't play at Toledo, Bowling Green, Miami, etc., either. What does that say about them? What does it say about UC?

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

"But they won't ever play us in our house, because they're scared!!!" Ohio State won't play at Toledo, Bowling Green, Miami, etc., either. What does that say about them? What does it say about UC?

That we won't play @ MAC quality programs/schools.

 

[LovelandBuckeye]

Miami fan became Tennessee and FSU fan then was briefly Miami fan again before becoming USC fan before becoming SEC! fan

I see you know my friend Troy. Tell him I said hi. Also, he is a MSU Spartan fan these days.

 

[dozenmonkeyz]

A. The rest of Ohio doesn't like the city of Cincinnati (for legit reasons) and feels no connection to the corner of the state that doesn't want to be part of Ohio, yet they'll somehow adopt Cincinnati's local commuter school as the object of their affection? For Christ's sake, this has already been disproven during their Big East and "Ohio's BCS School" days. They gained exactly squat in fanbase and relevance outside of the tri-county area despite being in a major conference, winning it and going to two BCS bowls. On top of the cultural/emotional disconnect that the vast majority of Ohioans feel towards Cincinnati, .........

I've lived in Ohio my entire life and have never encountered this attitude towards Cincy. Sure folks make fun of them for being half kentuckian and making chili that turns bowel movements into environmental concerns. And your right about the UC sports never rivaling OSU's. No real point here just found that part to be a bit off line.

 

[scarletmike]

I've lived in Ohio my entire life and have never encountered this attitude towards Cincy. Sure folks make fun of them for being half kentuckian and making chili that turns bowel movements into environmental concerns. And your right about the UC sports never rivaling OSU's. No real point here just found that part to be a bit off line.

I actually think the part you bolded was more correct than the start of point A. I don't dislike Cinci, I just don't really care about it. Growing up in north central Ohio I always wanted to go to places in Columbus and Cleveland, but Cincinnati was just that city we passed through with the cool tunnels on the way to see my family in Georgia or SC. I didn't give it a single thought until I got into roller coasters and amusement parks outside of "Oh! We're getting close to the tunnels and big bridge over the river!" Even now I pretty much only think of Kings Island and the Reds/GABP, and not a single thought about the rest of the city. I still love Cleveland and C-bus, and talk about wanting to go back and visit and do stuff all the time. Cinci? Maybe I'll think about using the airport, and stop to see family in Covington while I'm at it, and then head straight to KI.

Oh, and I looked up the abandoned malls and the "subway" tunnels a few times, because I was already looking up related stuff in other cities and stumbled upon those things. I guess that counts too.

Meh. UC is an Ivy Tech branch with sports living off a few fleeting moments. In my IMO.

 

[LovelandBuckeye]

I actually think the part you bolded was more correct than the start of point A. I don't dislike Cinci, I just don't really care about it. Growing up in north central Ohio I always wanted to go to places in Columbus and Cleveland, but Cincinnati was just that city we passed through with the cool tunnels on the way to see my family in Georgia or SC. I didn't give it a single thought until I got into roller coasters and amusement parks outside of "Oh! We're getting close to the tunnels and big bridge over the river!" Even now I pretty much only think of Kings Island and the Reds/GABP, and not a single thought about the rest of the city. I still love Cleveland and C-bus, and talk about wanting to go back and visit and do stuff all the time. Cinci? Maybe I'll think about using the airport, and stop to see family in Covington while I'm at it, and then head straight to KI.

Oh, and I looked up the abandoned malls and the "subway" tunnels a few times, because I was already looking up related stuff in other cities and stumbled upon those things. I guess that counts too.

Meh. UC is an Ivy Tech branch with sports living off a few fleeting moments. In my IMO.

This is the same way I am with Cleveland. I always went to C-bus, Dayton, Indy, and Louisville. Never really gave Cleveland a second thought. I assume Sam Wyche had something to do with that.

Also, don't use CVG...ever...unless you are filthy rich.

 

[dozenmonkeyz]

I actually think the part you bolded was more correct than the start of point A. I don't dislike Cinci, I just don't really care about it. Growing up in north central Ohio I always wanted to go to places in Columbus and Cleveland, but Cincinnati was just that city we passed through with the cool tunnels on the way to see my family in Georgia or SC. I didn't give it a single thought until I got into roller coasters and amusement parks outside of "Oh! We're getting close to the tunnels and big bridge over the river!" Even now I pretty much only think of Kings Island and the Reds/GABP, and not a single thought about the rest of the city. I still love Cleveland and C-bus, and talk about wanting to go back and visit and do stuff all the time. Cinci? Maybe I'll think about using the airport, and stop to see family in Covington while I'm at it, and then head straight to KI.

Oh, and I looked up the abandoned malls and the "subway" tunnels a few times, because I was already looking up related stuff in other cities and stumbled upon those things. I guess that counts too.

Meh. UC is an Ivy Tech branch with sports living off a few fleeting moments. In my IMO.

Yeah, I see can see that. I'm just saying I've never heard of a broad Ohioan feeling of dislike or cultural disconnect about Cincy anymore than any other city.