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2025 scUM Shenanigans, Arguments, etc.

TCUN fans are very much like Ped State fans (and most fans in general) in this regard.

JoePed could have been railing kids himself and some of those mutants would still defend him. Some of them have built their entire personality around that "Success with Honor" bullshit he spewed.

Same with TCUN and the "M*ch*gan Man" nonsense.
I suspect the large majority of TCUN fans will stay in denial about the cheating scandal until their last breath.
 
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Initially no - at first. Had it been what is initially was, I don't think it was fire-able. Had he followed process and gone through the compliance office when that lawyer sent him stuff, I think he survives it.

What did it for me was when he signed the statement with the NCAA stating he didn't know of any violations. That sunk him with both me and the University/NCAA.

I wasn't around for when Woody popped that punk from Clemson but yeah that was fire-able as well right off the bat.
Yeah, that's the part a lot of people miss with "tatgate". When the story first came out the NCAA issued the suspensions for the players and was done with it.Most people still supported Tress because what they did really wasn't THAT serious, other players at other schools had done the same thing and received similar penalties ( see Gurley, Todd/Georgia) and most people believed that Tressel didn't know about it in advance. It was the following Spring when shit hit the fan and the emails from Chris Cicero were discovered that many fans agreed it was time for Tressel to go.
 
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I agree to an extent. But, be honest here. When tatgate was going on, did you think Tressel should have been fired? Just from my memory of people talking here, I think most people thought he needed to be fired. And that was for turning a blind eye on impermissible benefits and lying about it. I think it's embarrassing that the school took as long to fire him as they did.
Maybe my memory is wrong - maybe most defended him, despite everything.
You're right that Penn State fans seem to defend JoePa no matter what. The cheaters' fans defend Moore and Jimmah no matter what. How many of us defend what Woody did? I mean, yeah - that Clemson nerd deserved it, but Woody deserved to be fired. And I don't think many thought Tressel should have gotten away with just that 2-game penalty.
There were definitely some JT dead enders on here (secret FBI agent!). For the most part it was a mix of wait and see, punish but don't fire and fire away.

I kind of knew right away that Tressel was cooked (which I shared in a text with BB73 while the press conference was still happening) because I knew someone who was one of the main members of the BoT at the time.

As for the university, there were two reasons for the delay. First, was the need to get the legal side in line after the too quick firing of Jim Obrien and second was that JT--despite knowing he was cooked--trying to lawyer up and drag things out. Behind the scenes, there was always a Mr Blutarsky chance of JT surviving.
 
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If Ryan Day, fresh off a Natty, got caught covering up child rape he'd be lucky to get out of town with his skin intact.

Same for Urban and Tressel.

There are a lot of things you can say about Buckeye Nation that are less than complimentary and also completely true but you can't say we hero worship our coaches the way certain other cult like groups do.
half the fan base wanted Ryan Day to be pilloried on Nov 30. we freaking hate our head coaches.
 
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Haven’t read much of the material leaked but this screams of a well orchestrated PR / crisis management playbook to distract, discredit and disparage with the only major victory being public opinion. Seems to work well these days with our society…
It's had that vibe since the very beginning, IMHO. Similar to what you see with politicians on both sides. Same play book.

half the fan base wanted Ryan Day to be pilloried on Nov 30. we freaking hate our head coaches.
To be fair, I hate everyone equally. Nov 30th broke me in the most beautiful way. I went from being the biggest hater before, to relentless PACE. Ryan Day died so that I could live.

"The only way out is through you take more of the things that poisons you until you turn into a tonic that girdles the world around you."
 
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