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Would guess that moving Donovan to OT would mean that the difference between him and his replacement (Ennok?) is a smaller spread than Donovan and whomever is penciled in at OT right now. Same at Center. Treyveon cannot get his hundred+ if there's not a hole for him to run through. Same for Myan etc. Don't care how talented the WR room is, if the QB doesn't have time to locate and throw, doesn't quite matter. We cannot assume that the OL will produce the necessary holes, or time in pass pro for the skill players to do their dance. Here's hoping....Go Bucks!
That was my thought, we are deeper at OG and Vimahi seems ready to play. OL this year is definitely get the 5 best out there imo. Fryar will likely be the LT even though that is not his best fit. Some combination of Jackson, Hinzman, Jones and Vimahi is the best inside, but if Jackson is better at RT than Simmons this year then I think you could see (from left to right): Fryar, Vimahi, Hinzman, M Jones, and Jackson. Tshabola and Montgomery are also being praised by Day, I wouldn't count them out either.

Still got a month to go, but there are least two spots wide open on the OL outside of Fryar, Jackson and Jones, so it will be a really busy month for that battle. I hope we get our best 5 sorted out early though for the sake of cohesion, drawn out battles at OL are not ideal.
 
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Not discounting the QB taking off once in a while also to keep the line and LBs from just blasting upfield as much too. Even if it's not for huge yardage, keeping the Defense honest and controlling their aggression is another way the Offense can take advantage of new Oline combos. Would be nice to lead the country in rushing this year and just give D Coordinators nightmares with the WR room we have and that kind of nasty mentality to run people TF over!
 
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Not discounting the QB taking off once in a while also to keep the line and LBs from just blasting upfield as much too. Even if it's not for huge yardage, keeping the Defense honest and controlling their aggression is another way the Offense can take advantage of new Oline combos. Would be nice to lead the country in rushing this year and just give D Coordinators nightmares with the WR room we have and that kind of nasty mentality to run people TF over!
Either of McCord or Brown are adept to do just that if needed, and I think it will be needed more without Dawand or PJ on the edges. I think we will be good there overall, but if either of those guys goes full pocket mode and refuses to run like CJ, that won't work. I'm not talking about running the option or designed QB runs, but if we need 5 yards and its there, take it with a slide or run out of bounds immediately.

CJ was awesome but there were moments where Kirk Cousins at age 45 could have ran for 10 yards to get the first down safely....that's the thing we need to focus on...arm talent, accuracy and the rest ain't it...just be aware that sometimes you can run safely to move the sticks. Even the statutes at QB could do it in the NFL.

I am agreeing with you specifically here 100%, but the narrative has been so conflicted with fans thinking we need either Braxton Miller/Pryor, or Joe Germaine. Truth is that a JT Barrett was really about perfect for our offense, he was cerebral on when to throw or when to run. I bring that up mostly because I think either of McCord or Brown will do exactly that, so I feel good about the QB position.
 
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Either of McCord or Brown are adept to do just that if needed, and I think it will be needed more without Dawand or PJ on the edges. I think we will be good there overall, but if either of those guys goes full pocket mode and refuses to run like CJ, that won't work. I'm not talking about running the option or designed QB runs, but if we need 5 yards and its there, take it with a slide or run out of bounds immediately.

CJ was awesome but there were moments where Kirk Cousins at age 45 could have ran for 10 yards to get the first down safely....that's the thing we need to focus on...arm talent, accuracy and the rest ain't it...just be aware that sometimes you can run safely to move the sticks. Even the statutes at QB could do it in the NFL.

I am agreeing with you specifically here 100%, but the narrative has been so conflicted with fans thinking we need either Braxton Miller/Pryor, or Joe Germaine. Truth is that a JT Barrett was really about perfect for our offense, he was cerebral on when to throw or when to run. I bring that up mostly because I think either of McCord or Brown will do exactly that, so I feel good about the QB position.

Picking nits but JT Barrett was perfect for Urban’s offense. Aside from one glorious 4 th quarter he really couldn’t pass worth a shit.

I’d say Justin Fields is the leader in the clubhouse for perfect Day offense QB so far.
 
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Picking nits but JT Barrett was perfect for Urban’s offense. Aside from one glorious 4 th quarter he really couldn’t pass worth a shit.

I’d say Justin Fields is the leader in the clubhouse for perfect Day offense QB so far.

JF is my favorite QB here all-time and maybe as a player/person. So I cannot argue that at all. And in his time here, he was not a one-dimensional like he has been relegated to in Chicago because of their lack of....the 10 other players at any given point of time on that offense. I would take JF all day and every day over every QB I have watched play at OSU.

JT was very efficient, not flashy but got us to a W most of the time...and was a great leader in the time period we needed him. Mostly my point was that I think McCord/Brown are a good mix of passing and enough athletic ability to improvise if needed. JT seemed to strike that balance well, and I think McCord or Brown will be right there by the ND game when we will need it.

Get the ball out quicker ..best medicine for a weaker OL

Joe Burrow has proven that approach can work if the OL fails in pass pro. Any of our QBs (that includes McCord, Brown, Gebbia and Kienholz) can accomplish that given the wealth of talent at the other skilled positions. So I am not concerned on the offense unless the OL is a trainwreck.. I just think they have to slightly above average and we are set.
 
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I could live without ever seeing a single slow developing stretch run on short yardage ever again.
It’s the new Dave or read option.

Pulling a guard (for Dave) in short yardage is dumb because any good defender will crash the space left by the vacating guard straight into the backfield which, needless to say, is not great for the success of a run play. It is incredibly hard for the other oline (probably the center) to close the gap fast enough when the defenders are all expecting run.

Leaving a defender (usually the DE) unblocked in short yardage for read option is dumb because—does it really require an explanation? But the QB needs to make the correct read for it to work which is, even under the best circumstances, going to result in failed plays a certain percentage of time. I’d say even someone who was “good” at it like JT Barrett was 50/50 on making the read correctly. And if the unblocked DE plays it well, or even if they are just really aggressive shooting the backfield, which they are more often than not because it’s short yardage and they’re expecting it, they can blow up the play regardless of how good the read is made.

Stretch run in short yardage is dumb because all the oline’s first step is sideways which instantly equals surrendering the point of attack and no push up front. It also instantly telegraphs which way the run is going and every defender on the team can crash to that side with reckless abandon and blow up the play. Unless you’ve got a hard counter (like naked boot the opposite way, or a RB that is really, really good at finding the cutback lanes) that you’ve set up heavily that the D has to think about to stay honest, please, please don’t do this.

I understand the theory behind each of these plays—Dave flips the numbers with an extra blocker, read option flips the numbers by neutralizing an indecisive defender, stretch runs create cut back lanes that a good RB (no one was better at this than JK Dobbins, and Trey Sermon was amazing at it when he hit his stride in 2020, so maybe Day was spoiled by his personnel into over relying on it) can hit all day—but the unique circumstances of short yardage, most obviously an extra aggressive defense expecting run at the point of attack, eliminates every one of these advantages more often than not, which is something Ohio State coaches seem to be incredibly stubborn about over the years.

Whether it’s Tressel, Meyer, or Day on these calls respectively, these short yardage plays have been frustrating me immensely for 20 years.

Outside of 2-3 games a year, you’re Ohio State and they’re whoever they are. Just line up and block the person in front of you and give the ball to the RB. That’s the attitude the coaches seem to have, just applied incorrectly to insist the advantage of those three plays can still be realized in short yardage.

I swear Day did this better earlier in his career with some TE creativity out of twelve personnel (two TEs). When the TE motioned everyone in the stadium knew the run was coming behind them, but just the variability of whether the TE would block straight ahead or crack back across the formation was enough to keep the defense on their heels and make it a highly successful play in short yardage despite it being incredibly telegraphed.

More of that, please. I do think Dsy has lacked the TEs to be comfortable with two on the field he trusts blocking to do this much the past several years (last year they didn’t have a second behind Stover, and Ruckert was never the greatest blocker.)

Hausmann and Farrell in 2020 were the last time Day had two grinder TEs he could rely on in short yardage, and he used the hell out of them.

I’m really hoping Royer (or maybe even Christian or Thurman as guys with the frames to block) steps up this season behind Stover to give Day a duo of TE he can be confident in for short yardage plays again.
 
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tOSU has substituted the player, in this case, the QB, that obviously called the play. Back in the day, Don Unverferth was a run-first QB, and Joe Sparma was the thrower. When Joe came in, the opposing D sent in another DB. With Don U in, the S crowded the line. And then Dave Francis, Katterheinrich (sp?) blew right up the middle. With the untried OL tOSU will put forth, can see one or the other of the top QB candidates getting plastered. Hopefully not seriously. Also will opine that Gebbia may get the call at some point due to his experience at getting rid of the ball very quickly. Can't remember when tOSU has been in this pickle before, fielding an inexperience OL as well as inexperienced QB at same time. PS, am glad the QB room is so deep, think we'll need it. We'll see how flexible Frye is with his OL composition, whether he'll 'mix and match' or just go with what he's got and let them work into it. Always interesting. Go Bucks!
 
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Coach Frye surprised everyone with having Zen taking most of the first team reps at Right Tackle at opening day practice today.
I would expect Zen, Simmons and Tegra to all get first team reps there for the next week or so. But I am a little surprised Zen was the first man up. The starting OL is going to be interesting heading into the first game.
 
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A while before this one is settled

On one hand, I'm glad there is a heated battle for the spot. On the other, I hope it's settled relatively soon. Cohesion of the starters on an OL is critical... I'm not an expert coach or anything, but that's one thing that remains constant. I hope that the competition is because the guys there are progressing nicely.
 
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