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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
The sign stealing info, I'd tend to agree. If they do have 50 hours of our practices on that laptop, it means they hacked computers at the WHAC across state lines. That is definitely a federal crime.
This cuts so deeply to the integrity of the games (and Vegas lines) that the ncaa and B1G have no choice but to hammer tsun and the coaches so hard that no one will ever take the risk of attempting it again. For the coaches, I'm thinking about an NFL ban and at least a 5 year show cause in college. I have no sympathy for them at all. They literally took the Heisman away from CJ last year.
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Absolutely agree and was confident that near term action would be taken. But listening to the talking heads this weekend there seems to be (publicly at least) a sentiment that this is just normal shenanigans in overdrive.
BUT - they are not reacting to the next two shoes. How this was discovered and the practice tape.
So let it simmer and continue to be a discussion topic. Then play the trump card.
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osuvictory1
Just a schlub from Y-town
If not us, there is no way they beat UGA or FSU. Especially without the cheat factor.
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But to reinforce ORDs point. I have been following football since the 60s (1960s, not my 60s).
When I look back at all of the penalties given out by the NCAA, they result from recruiting violations, improper benefits and ineligible players. Maybe somebody can help me out here, but I can't think of a case of one team was caught cheating to gain a specific competitive advantage on the field (other than having players who shouldn't have been there).
SMU got the death penalty for paying players. Bush theortically cost USC a title (everybody knows they won the game) because he was getting shit on the side. And of course, the mother of all outrages - players getting free tattoos.
To let UM potentially win a Big title and even an NC (giving them life long bragging rights at the cost of changing some search results) is beyond the pale.
(I can think of a team having an on field competitive edge over another involving the use of illegal cleats in the rain - but they let that one slide too.)
When I look back at all of the penalties given out by the NCAA, they result from recruiting violations, improper benefits and ineligible players. Maybe somebody can help me out here, but I can't think of a case of one team was caught cheating to gain a specific competitive advantage on the field (other than having players who shouldn't have been there).
SMU got the death penalty for paying players. Bush theortically cost USC a title (everybody knows they won the game) because he was getting shit on the side. And of course, the mother of all outrages - players getting free tattoos.
To let UM potentially win a Big title and even an NC (giving them life long bragging rights at the cost of changing some search results) is beyond the pale.
(I can think of a team having an on field competitive edge over another involving the use of illegal cleats in the rain - but they let that one slide too.)
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Buck I in Mich
Behind Enemy Lines
Keep in mind that a if a UofM staff attorney found any evidence of a crime being committed, he would be obligated by ethical standards to report it.
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
And in all those cases, Vegas didn't give a fuck. As long as they had accurate knowledge of who was and wasn't playing, they set their lines accordingly. Whether the Tat-5 should have been playing was irrelevant to them. This is the complete opposite. This is something behind the scenes that affects the outcome and something they weren't able to bake into the lines.
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Buck I in Mich
Behind Enemy Lines
This is why I think it won’t go unpunished prior to the seasons end. Sports betting is big business now with the leagues actually embracing it. And there is NO WAY they will risk losing customer confidence.
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osuvictory1
Just a schlub from Y-town
Holy hell...... everybody is paranoid... thanks Scum.
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I mean the one fbi dude knew trading trophies for tats was ncaa illegal and notified Tress.
I think the "interstate cybercrime" is them hacking Ohio State's practice footage though.
And so the sign stealing, while not fed illegal, is adjacent to the fed illegal activity and establishes moral turpitude or something or other. It comes into the case as supporting material.
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CincyInterloper
Hall of Fame
My gut feeling is this is exactly why it's not going away. People with money and power were affected negatively, and they didn't get their money and power by letting some shit like Harbaugh get away with screwing them. This is different than other cheating scandals. The NCAA won't be calling all the shots.
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Captain Buckeye
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Yeah I sense a lot of people think this isn’t a big deal but I don’t think those people totally are grasping.
I truly think most of these talking heads aren’t paying attention to the details. That they think they are stealing signs and what’s the big deal?
They aren’t grasping they paid people to commit over 70 NCAA rules violations and then used the information to figure out what plays are going to be run.
If more comes out, and I think it will… then I still maintain they’re going to take action against ttun before we play. Whether that’s a post season ban or forfeiting their season it all depends what comes out tomorrow
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