2015-16 Ohio State Quarterback Discussion

[maximumblitz]

Data driven comparisons in practice tend to favor non mobile QBs, because the QB tends to be off limits for tackling.

Advantage: Cardale

Remember the Spring game between Zwick and Troy? Troy wasn't allowed to run, so a huge weapon of his was missing, even though I believed that troy was beter even without running.

 

[pnuts34]

Data driven comparisons in practice tend to favor non mobile QBs, because the QB tends to be off limits for tackling.

Advantage: Cardale

Remember the Spring game between Zwick and Troy? Troy wasn't allowed to run, so a huge weapon of his was missing, even though I believed that troy was beter even without running.

If that's the case, then JT would have the advantage not Cardale. JT is more accurate, and I was at the spring game this year and Cardale looked sloppy with hitting WRs in stride with little pressure. Taking away the scrambling aspect and JT is still the better overall passer and when scrambling is allowed he makes better decisions with the ball

 

[OSUK]

Why are we talking about the NFL? The coaches making this decision are trying to win college football games.

For his part, what if Braxton Miller cares more about attempting to finish his career at Ohio State on his own terms than he cares about the NFL?

Braxton has 1 year of eligibility left in college, and we assume he wants to go to the NFL. I have never heard one analyst say Braxton is an NFL QB, and having watched several thousand outstanding college QB's fail as pros - especially ones who run better than they pass - I don't think I'm going out on a limb by saying that Braxton's pro future is not at QB.

So, maybe this is an instance where a player's best interest and his college team's best interest synergize. Braxton goes to a WR/H-Back/ RB/situational QB role which leaves Urban with a manageable 2 QB situation. Braxton helps his team by getting the ball in space, and he helps himself by building a body of work at the position(s) he will play as a pro. It makes too much sense for it not to happen - which is why it probably won't happen.

 

[HorseshoeFetish]

Meanwhile in AA, Shane Morris says it's his job to lose.


Life is GOOD!!!!

 

[MaxBuck]

This is a "Ginger or Mary Ann" thing. Ya gotta pick one, but I'd take either on a three minute tour...

I'm thinking you got 40 seconds, tops, with Ginger.

 

[jlb1705]

Braxton has 1 year of eligibility left in college, and we assume he wants to go to the NFL.

And I'm challenging that assumption. There are athletes that care more about the one year of remaining college eligibility than the NFL. There have been athletic quarterbacks that would rather sit or retire than line up at a different position. The rest of your post doesn't address that challenge. It just restates your original point, which Braxton Miller and the coaches may or may not actually be considering.

 

[pnuts34]

http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...-should-be-the-starter-heading-into-fall-camp

I certainly understand Mr. Barrett's opinion, but I have to disagree and think his son will be the starter and the staff will find creative ways to get Braxton the ball. But still interesting POV from JT's dad.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

If that's the case, then JT would have the advantage not Cardale. JT is more accurate, and I was at the spring game this year and Cardale looked sloppy with hitting WRs in stride with little pressure. Taking away the scrambling aspect and JT is still the better overall passer and when scrambling is allowed he makes better decisions with the ball

JT was 64.6% for the season while 12 Gauge was 61.5% after JT got hurt...not that much difference considering that 12 Gauge's percentage cam against our biggest rival, our CCG opponent, and the #1 and #2 teams in country. Most TV analysts after the NCG felt that 12 Gauge made the offense better. I usually don't hold spring game performances--good or bad--in high importance, so I'm writing off Jones' early lackluster performance (IIRC, he started looking sharp late in the game).

 

[pnuts34]

JT was 64.6% for the season while 12 Gauge was 61.5% after JT got hurt...not that much difference considering that 12 Gauge's percentage cam against our biggest rival, our CCG opponent, and the #1 and #2 teams in country. Most TV analysts after the NCG felt that 12 Gauge made the offense better. I usually don't hold spring game performances--good or bad--in high importance, so I'm writing off Jones' early lackluster performance (IIRC, he started looking sharp late in the game).

Idk if I'd count Cardales contribution in The Game, since he barely touched the ball. He had a very good 3 game win streak, but the Wisky game stats were a tad inflated by 3 long TD passes that accounted for half his passing yards. And that's the analysts opinions, but the O line made the offense look better and also having a matured Eze which took a lot of pressure off of a new QB with little experience. Teams loaded the box for EzE and Cardale at times was Able to hit plays over the top, but his intermediate game was off, and even though much stock shouldn't be taken in a spring game(which I agree) he didn't get sharper throughout the game, and was still heaving long balls and WRs had fight for balls.

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

Also, Cardale was playing indoors all three games....no wind, snow, or rain to deal with. JTB looked much better in ideal conditions earlier in the year but had to contend with some crappy weather down the stretch.

 

[SloopyHangOn]

I think the thing that stands out to me as most positive about this whole thing is that we're talking about three QBs each with very different skillsets. That suggest to me that it will be less about "winning" the job and more about fitting the offense, as well as being able to package QBs for different circumstances.

 

[WoodyWorshiper]

Data driven comparisons in practice tend to favor non mobile QBs, because the QB tends to be off limits for tackling.

Advantage: Cardale

Remember the Spring game between Zwick and Troy? Troy wasn't allowed to run, so a huge weapon of his was missing, even though I believed that troy was beter even without running.

I went to the Spring Game in 2003, and when I got home that night posted on "Bucknuts" at the time that based on that game, that my impression was that Troy would one day be a Heisman Trophy contender while Zwick would never play a meaningful down of football at TOSU. To say the least, at the time my sentiments were not shared by the majority.

 

[maximumblitz]

Idk if I'd count Cardales contribution in The Game, since he barely touched the ball. He had a very good 3 game win streak, but the Wisky game stats were a tad inflated by 3 long TD passes that accounted for half his passing yards. And that's the analysts opinions, but the O line made the offense look better and also having a matured Eze which took a lot of pressure off of a new QB with little experience. Teams loaded the box for EzE and Cardale at times was Able to hit plays over the top, but his intermediate game was off, and even though much stock shouldn't be taken in a spring game(which I agree) he didn't get sharper throughout the game, and was still heaving long balls and WRs had fight for balls.

If I remember it, Cardale had a huge contribution in The Game. He made the right read on the triple option that sent Ez for a long TD. He completed several passes for a higher percentage than JT. No fumbles. No interceptions. The Game was very much in doubt when Cardale went it. If it were baseball, I think he would have gotten the win.

 

[jwinslow]

If I remember it, Cardale had a huge contribution in The Game. He made the right read on the triple option that sent Ez for a long TD.

That was a designed handoff, using Jalin as the decoy to outflank the defense.

He completed several passes for a higher percentage than JT.

He was 2-3 for 7 yds. 1 was a pop pass to Jalin, the other was a screen pass behind the LOS.

No fumbles. No interceptions.

Very little asked of him.

The Game was very much in doubt when Cardale went it.

and he failed to convert on 3rd & 1.

The next drive:

Elliott rush. Another designed give
Jalin rush.
Incomplete to Thomas.
Cardale run for 18. Great playcall freezing the defense with Elliott in motion, running behind it and having the UM LB take a bad angle and get pancaked rather easily. A great downfield block made it easy sledding for Cardale, who attacked quickly and efficiently.
Elliott rush.
*Here comes Cardale's breakout passing performance*
Pop pass to Jalin for 1 yd.
Screen pass behind the LOS. Corey fought through traffic for 3 yards after contact to pick up 6, still a yard short.

Failling to convert for the first down, they went for it on 4th down and used Jalin and Cardale to leave the defense out to dry on the backside with Elliott. Designed give all the way.

If it were baseball, I think he would have gotten the win.

Darron Lee would get it long before Cardale, if we're playing "award the victory for how you played at the end"


Now he played with poise but he was asked to do extremely little in that game, which is why it was shocking to see the flamethrowing wunderkid that showed up a week later in Indy.

 

[SactownBuckeye1]

JT made the correct zone read at an amazing 85%. He could break off big runs without taking any contact. Yeah, he's not as fast as Miller, but way less prone to take a big hit. If you take away JT's one bad game Vs Virgina, his completion percentage sits at 68%. He can hit the intermediate throws that Jones and Miller seem to have issues with.. And most importantly, he does turn the ball over. If had to to bet, JT will start on opening day.