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2015-16 Ohio State Quarterback Discussion

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maximumblitz said:
I think the best case for Ohio State is to have outstanding QB play for three years:
year1 Braxton
year2 Cardale (even better after one more year)
year3 JT (even better after two more years)

The worst case if for Ohio State to have outstanding QB for only one year: JT starts during the 2015 season but turns pro after one year. Cardale decides to turn pro because he can. Miller loses eligibility. During the 2017 season, OSU QBs play like Freshman and Sophomores.
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So..you'd sit a guy that broke both Buckeye and BIG records for 2+ years before he starts again? No sir...I don't like it.
 
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HorseshoeFetish said:
I can only think of one situation that would merit it. There is zero chance I speak its name in this thread.

I'm a JT fan though and see the job being his.
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I'm not even referring to anything unspeakable, and I understand that you prefer Barrett. I'm just referring to the inevitability of one guy winning the competition over the others. One will start, the others will sit. There's a distinct possibility that happens two years in a row with Barrett. There's also a possibility that it doesn't. Heck, even if guys leave for the NFL, the staff is constantly trying to recruit over their existing players. Next offseason he could lose out to a guy we're not even talking about right now.
 
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As the season draws closer, I find I care about the QB discussion less and less. Why? Because they're all excellent choices. There is no wrong answer.

It's so simple even Brady Hoke couldn't screw it up. Close eyes. Pick one.

Rewatching the championship run and looking towards next year, I'm a lot more concerned about who is going to catch the passes, not who is going to throw them. Cardale's story plays out a bit differently if Devin Smith doesn't haul in every single 50/50 ball Cardale threw up.

My heart says JT. My head says its Braxton if the shoulder holds together through camp.
 
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Dryden said:
As the season draws closer, I find I care about the QB discussion less and less. Why? Because they're all excellent choices. There is no wrong answer.

It's so simple even Brady Hoke couldn't screw it up. Close eyes. Pick one.

Rewatching the championship run and looking towards next year, I'm a lot more concerned about who is going to catch the passes, not who is going to throw them. Cardale's story plays out a bit differently if Devin Smith doesn't haul in every single 50/50 ball Cardale threw up.

My heart says JT. My head says its Braxton if the shoulder holds together through camp.
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Very good points. WR play was one of the reasons I preached caution about simply using stats as a basis for excluding Braxton Miller from the QB discussion all throughout the last year. That group going from a weakness to a strength had as much to do with the Buckeyes' turnaround post-VT as anything.

There is a ton of talent and enough returning experience that I think people take it for granted that the unit will function on the same level that they did in the second half of last season. The problem is, the guys that are gone filled very specific and important roles that they will have to figure out how to fill or work around. Who is going to block and be a leader in the same way Evan Spencer was? Who is going to be the deep threat that catches all the jump balls like Devin Smith. Mike Thomas is an excellent possession receiver and he can take those intermediate receptions all the way if he gets a seam. He can go deep, but he won't stike fear in the way Smith did. Jalin Marshall and Dontre Wilson are more horizontal threats than vertical threats.

Somebody new that nobody is talking about is going to have to step up, or the Buckeyes are going to have to find different ways to move the ball through they air than what they did at the end of last season.
 
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Dryden said:
It's so simple even Brady Hoke couldn't screw it up. Close eyes. Pick one.


My heart says JT. My head says its Braxton if the shoulder holds together through camp.
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Thanks for the Hoke joke. That made my day.

I was reading SI the other day. They did a feature on "where are they now". They wrote about a pitcher who had Tommy John surgery. The guy changed the way he threw in order to protect his elbow, and that change contributed to a TORN LABRUM. The medical staff was quoted as saying, "At that point we went from having the goal of getting him to be able to pitch in the major leagues to allowing him to have a decent quality of life."

That quote really struck me as it pertains to Braxton. Here we have a player who has the same injury, and we are talking about him being able to throw (similar to a pitcher), but with people hitting his arm as he is throwing, and with 300 pound linemen throwing him to the ground and landing on him. And he isn't going to get hurt? He couldn't stay healthy when there wasn't any known major injury. Letting him try to play QB in big-time CFB makes no sense medically. He will be at high risk for catastrophic injury even with a position change, but with him throwing, the odds go to astronomically high. It makes me wonder if Urban and Braxton aren't just doing psych warfare on opponents - VT in particular. I will be shocked if Braxton makes any kind of regular appearance at QB this year because his torn labrum and subsequent surgery is not some minor thing that you come back from as good or better than before.
 
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OSUK said:
Thanks for the Hoke joke. That made my day.

I was reading SI the other day. They did a feature on "where are they now". They wrote about a pitcher who had Tommy John surgery. The guy changed the way he threw in order to protect his elbow, and that change contributed to a TORN LABRUM. The medical staff was quoted as saying, "At that point we went from having the goal of getting him to be able to pitch in the major leagues to allowing him to have a decent quality of life."

That quote really struck me as it pertains to Braxton. Here we have a player who has the same injury, and we are talking about him being able to throw (similar to a pitcher), but with people hitting his arm as he is throwing, and with 300 pound linemen throwing him to the ground and landing on him. And he isn't going to get hurt? He couldn't stay healthy when there wasn't any known major injury. Letting him try to play QB in big-time CFB makes no sense medically. He will be at high risk for catastrophic injury even with a position change, but with him throwing, the odds go to astronomically high. It makes me wonder if Urban and Braxton aren't just doing psych warfare on opponents - VT in particular. I will be shocked if Braxton makes any kind of regular appearance at QB this year because his torn labrum and subsequent surgery is not some minor thing that you come back from as good or better than before.
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I do think Drew Brees(among a very few others) was the only QB to return to full strength from a torn labrum. Roger Clemens did too as well, but he kind of had illegal help
 
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pnuts34 said:
I do think Drew Brees(among a very few others) was the only QB to return to full strength from a torn labrum. Roger Clemens did too as well, but he kind of had illegal help
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I didn't know Brees and Clemens had the injury. Yeah, you gotta throw Clemens out, but Drew seems to be doing pretty good with his. Still, and there's no way for us to know the medical details of Braxton's situation compared to Brees' because every injury is different in location, severity, other tissues involved, etc. With it being reported that Braxton "dislocated" his shoulder (understood to be "complete"), based on that limited info, most surgeons would put that into a very severe category for this injury. My cousin is an orthopedic surgeon in Marietta (and a Buckeye fan). When I asked him about Braxton's injury, he said, "He's done as a QB." But maybe Dr. Andrews knows something cousin doesn't. But that is the basis of my doubts about Braxton's ability to play QB and stay healthy doing it.
 
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OSUK said:
I didn't know Brees and Clemens had the injury. Yeah, you gotta throw Clemens out, but Drew seems to be doing pretty good with his. Still, and there's no way for us to know the medical details of Braxton's situation compared to Brees' because every injury is different in location, severity, other tissues involved, etc. With it being reported that Braxton "dislocated" his shoulder (understood to be "complete"), based on that limited info, most surgeons would put that into a very severe category for this injury. My cousin is an orthopedic surgeon in Marietta (and a Buckeye fan). When I asked him about Braxton's injury, he said, "He's done as a QB." But maybe Dr. Andrews knows something cousin doesn't. But that is the basis of my doubts about Braxton's ability to play QB and stay healthy doing it.
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Yeah, since the second surgery and finding out that Braxton indeed tore his labrum, I've been highly doubtful that he'd be back to his old throwing form. My argument for JT as the starter has been purely based off of the season he had last year, and his decision making. Braxton has been an athlete playing QB for his tenure at OSU, IMO. I think some of that had to do with being thrown into the fire his frosh year in the midst of so much controversy, he needed a redshirt year, and wouldve been a great pupil under TP, IMO. Even the last 2 games that Braxton played, he played his heart out, but it was done with his legs and not as much his arm and that led to a lot of tough hits and nagging injuries. JT on the other hand gets the ball out quick, makes great decisions in the option and passing game, and finds the open man time and time again. Braxtons athleticism can make him a valuable asset in the offense, but just not as a starting or primary QB, more like a wildcat, IMO.
 
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OSUK said:
Thanks for the Hoke joke. That made my day.

I was reading SI the other day. They did a feature on "where are they now". They wrote about a pitcher who had Tommy John surgery. The guy changed the way he threw in order to protect his elbow, and that change contributed to a TORN LABRUM. The medical staff was quoted as saying, "At that point we went from having the goal of getting him to be able to pitch in the major leagues to allowing him to have a decent quality of life."

That quote really struck me as it pertains to Braxton. Here we have a player who has the same injury, and we are talking about him being able to throw (similar to a pitcher), but with people hitting his arm as he is throwing, and with 300 pound linemen throwing him to the ground and landing on him. And he isn't going to get hurt? He couldn't stay healthy when there wasn't any known major injury. Letting him try to play QB in big-time CFB makes no sense medically. He will be at high risk for catastrophic injury even with a position change, but with him throwing, the odds go to astronomically high. It makes me wonder if Urban and Braxton aren't just doing psych warfare on opponents - VT in particular. I will be shocked if Braxton makes any kind of regular appearance at QB this year because his torn labrum and subsequent surgery is not some minor thing that you come back from as good or better than before.
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I get the impression Urban isn't going to force the issue, rather he's going to let Brax find out on his own whether the shoulder holds up. I can respect that. Braxton wants to play QB, and out of loyalty and respect the coaching staff is going to give him every opportunity to prove he can do it despite the surgery.
I also trust Urban won't put a gimped Braxton out there to get seriously injured again, especially with 2 studs right there. So if Brax starts, it's because he's earned it, the medical staff have cleared him, etc.

I'm not holding my breath on that happening... it'll be a minor miracle if it does... but even though I'm admittedly in JT's corner I can't help myself rooting for Braxton Miller to get the start after everything he's endured.
 
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matcar said:
It is damn near impossible not to be in Miller's corner if he is healthy.
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For the most part, I agree with you. I mean, was there a more exciting player in college football than Braxton Miller? He's an absolute scoreboard changer.

I've been thinking a lot about our passing attack against Wisconsin, Alabama, and Oregon. Has Coach Meyer ever had a QB better able to maximize his available options than Cardale Jones? That 3rd and long throw he hit to Corey Smith in the NCG, the two 3rd and longs he hit to Jalin Marshall on deep crossing routes against Alabama, the 3rd and long TD-bomb he hit to Devin Smith against Alabama, the 3rd and long STRIKE he hit to Jalin Marshall near the end of the 3rd quarter against Alabama. I'm only talking about his arm right now and we only got a small glimpse of what he can be if given the reigns. And oh yeah, I think he's more than capable with his legs. As much as I love Braxton Miller, I don't think he can make those same throws and that's no knock on Braxton.

What Braxton brings to the table is uncanny athleticism and the ability to put a 6 on the board from 80 yards out. My question is, are we better with 2 of our 3 elite QBs on the bench or 2 of them in the game? Because I have no doubt that Braxton could be an absolute weapon at RB/H/WR.
 
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matcar said:
I have no idea what throws Miller can make at this time. He never had the arm that Jones has, but he did have a pretty strong arm. But who knows what his shoulder is capable of now.

I'm rooting for him though.
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I think that long bomb style of throw like the one he made against Wisconsin is likely out of the question now, after the injury and surgery. I would definitely love to see him back in the QB spot, but just don't know how realistic that is.
 
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