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2015-16 Ohio State Quarterback Discussion

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Bucklion said:
I certainly respect everyone's opinions, all I am saying is that the "bashing" rules were determined by the boards creator. There are lots of boards that don't have such rules.
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Exactly. As I've said before, Jones shouldn't be bashed, JT shouldn't be bashed, and no walk-on should be bashed. Have a little class. If you can't, find another board.
 
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They aren't children playing little league for their first year. They're grown men on full rides at a top flight academic institution, being given a chance to earn more their first year in the pros than most of us earn in our lifetime. I really don't see why we have to pussyfoot around.
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This board has rules regarding players (and recruits). I'm sure that I'm not alone in the fact that it's a huge reason why this is the only Ohio State board I choose to participate in or read for that matter.
 
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http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2015/10/urban_meyer_picks_jt_barrett_j.html

Urban Meyer picks J.T. Barrett after placing a bet that didn't have much of a chance

By Doug Lesmerises, Northeast Ohio Media Group
October 20, 2015 at 3:12 PM

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- J.T. Barrett was always an Urban Meyer kind of guy and an Urban Meyer kind of quarterback. Now he's back to starting in an Urban Meyer kind of offense.

Meyer announced Tuesday that the fifth-place finisher in the 2014 Heisman Trophy balloting will make his first start of the 2015 season in Ohio State's eighth game at Rutgers on Saturday night. This is Meyer winding up back where many thought he would have started the season after taking a pot-hole-filled path that never tripped up the Buckeyes, at least in the loss column.

You get a vibe now that this is what those around the program want, especially after the way the offense, relying almost exclusively on the legs of Barrett and Ezekiel Elliott, moved in the second half against Penn State.

You also got the vibe earlier that Barrett to begin with was what more than a few people around the program expected from the start. Barrett beat out Jones in the 2014 preseason, played well in his first season of college football, got hurt, and then didn't get his job back from the guy who replaced him until late October.

The end result is that it didn't matter. Ohio State mucked around with the quarterback question for more than half the regular season and emerged undefeated and still No. 1.

Great. No harm. But that doesn't mean there weren't some fouls.

Cont'd ...
 
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Bill Lucas said:
This board has rules regarding players (and recruits). I'm sure that I'm not alone in the fact that it's a huge reason why this is the only Ohio State board I choose to participate in or read for that matter.
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Exactly.

Here is how I have always understood the rule to work;

Steve Bellisari was, by all accounts, a nice young man from a great family. He worked hard and sacrificed quite a bit of time, blood, sweat and tears in his four years at Ohio State and I thank him for that.

Steve Bellisari's play sucked more ass than a little bit.

The kid was good, his play was bad. Some kids play better than others and that is true from OSU on down to little league. Part of the risk you take as a parent of any athlete is to possibly hear criticism of your child, you just hope people can keep it on the play and not go after the kid. In defense of some of the younger guys here, when I was more of an age peer of the players none of that mattered to me in the least. Once I became a parent I saw how bad some of that behavior could have hurt.

Also, this is supposed to apply for alumni but it's a bit more lax there *cough* Frosted tips *cough*
 
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I would suspect the rule was targeting the most egregious language directed at a Buckeye like slander, personal attacks, name-calling, unsubstantiated rumor, etc.

I doubt it was intended to prevent someone from describing what they see or discourage someone from saying, "I like JT's play better. I don't think Cardale has been productive enough. Things don't run as well when he is in there. JT gives us a better chance to win imo." If it did apply to stuff like that, the purpose of having a discussion forum would be negated.

Outside of the "suck" comment (and that's just generational; substitute "stink" and we don't really have a problem), I don't see where anyone has degraded Cardale or gotten out of line.

Rules of propriety are good things for public discussion, but they can be taken too far if the truth, or one's version of it, can't be expressed. Fortunately, BP mods seem to apply those rules appropriately.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
Exactly.

Here is how I have always understood the rule to work;

Steve Bellisari was, by all accounts, a nice young man from a great family. He worked hard and sacrificed quite a bit of time, blood, sweat and tears in his four years at Ohio State and I thank him for that.

Steve Bellisari's play sucked more ass than a little bit.

The kid was good, his play was bad. Some kids play better than others and that is true from OSU on down to little league. Part of the risk you take as a parent of any athlete is to possibly hear criticism of your child, you just hope people can keep it on the play and not go after the kid. In defense of some of the younger guys here, when I was more of an age peer of the players none of that mattered to me in the least. Once I became a parent I saw how bad some of that behavior could have hurt.

Also, this is supposed to apply for alumni but it's a bit more lax there *cough* Frosted tips *cough*
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OSUK said:
I would suspect the rule was targeting the most egregious language directed at a Buckeye like slander, personal attacks, name-calling, unsubstantiated rumor, etc.

I doubt it was intended to prevent someone from describing what they see or discourage someone from saying, "I like JT's play better. I don't think Cardale has been productive enough. Things don't run as well when he is in there. JT gives us a better chance to win imo." If it did apply to stuff like that, the purpose of having a discussion forum would be negated.

Outside of the "suck" comment (and that's just generational; substitute "stink" and we don't really have a problem), I don't see where anyone has degraded Cardale or gotten out of line.

Rules of propriety are good things for public discussion, but they can be taken too far if the truth, or one's version of it, can't be expressed. Fortunately, BP mods seem to apply those rules appropriately.
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The way I've always thought about it is two-fold:
1) If I'm not willing to say it to the kid's face, I better not type it here.
2) If what I am going to type would piss off a kid's mom, I better stop before she kicks my ass.

Now, I'll be the first to admit, I've said things about Herbie that I'd say to his face, but never to his mom. Not that I fear an ass kicking, but I do respect mixed company. That said, it's likely that rule #2 above should be a good guide.

Just think to yourself, "would I say this to Annie Apple and if so, would I walk away or crawl away?" If the answer is crawl, don't type it.
 
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Here is a simple test to see if you are infringing BP rules concerning player bashing.

Did the negative comment I just typed refer to a behavior or action? For example,
  • Player X is playing too far off Receiver A.
  • QB1 is not going through his progressions. That safety saw him lock onto Receiver A. He was always going to jump the route...
  • This is not bashing a player but discussing what he is doing or has done.
Did the negative comment I just made refer to the player, not his behavior? For example,
  • Player X is an idiot. He needs to man up and stop playing so far off Receiver A.
  • I'm sick of f@#^ing QB1. Receiver B was all alone and QB1 is too stupid to even look downfield. This is not rocket science! When the hell will Meyer open his eyes and get someone in there who will go through his progressions? Makes me want to vomit!
  • This is bashing...playing the man, not the ball.
As for player alumni, we accord them respect. That doesn' t mean that one can't comment on what someone like Herbstreit says or does, especially when they show disrespect to their alma mater.

Following the Golden Rule and remembering that prospective recruits, players, coaches, and their families are on this board, you will never bash a player.
 
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Steve19 said:
Here is a simple test to see if you are infringing BP rules concerning player bashing.

Did the negative comment I just typed refer to a behavior or action? For example,
  • Player X is playing too far off Receiver A.
  • QB1 is not going through his progressions. That safety saw him lock onto Receiver A. He was always going to jump the route...
  • This is not bashing a player but discussing what he is doing or has done.
Did the negative comment I just made refer to the player, not his behavior? For example,
  • Player X is an idiot. He needs to man up and stop playing so far off Receiver A.
  • I'm sick of f@#^ing QB1. Receiver B was all alone and QB1 is too stupid to even look downfield. This is not rocket science! When the hell will Meyer open his eyes and get someone in there who will go through his progressions? Makes me want to vomit!
  • This is bashing...playing the man, not the ball.
As for alumni, we accord them respect. That doesn' t mean that one can't comment on what someone like Herbstreit says or does, especially when they show disrespect to their alma mater.

Following the Golden Rule and remembering that prispective recruit, players, coaches and their families are on this board, you will never bash a player.
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So good you had to say it twice.

I have said "this is not rocket science" and used "no brainer" but can't remember the contexts. Regardless, I will attempt to heed your clarification.
 
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