I just don't want anyone on the committee being able to water down a B1G CCG win because our opponent is 9-3/6-2 instead of 10-2/7-1.
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cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
Based on what I saw on Saturday, Nebraska is dead. They have a great receiver in Bell, but they don't have a QB who can get the ball to him. They have a great runner in Abdullah, but he's dealing with ankle and knee injuries, and in their QB, Armstrong, they have a talented player playing out of position. Their defense did not respond well when they were up 17 - 3 and it was "Ole'" time in the second half.
I like Wisky to win their last two games handily and to present a real challenge in the CCG.
Baylor and TCU aren't Texas or Oklahoma, i.e. they have no pedigree to insure them anything much more than the sentimental vote to "give the little guy a chance to prove himself."
Were Texas or Okie sitting there with a one loss record the lack of a CCG would not be an issue, but because it's Baylor and TCU, and the fact that this is supposed to showcase the best of big college football and draw a huge TV audience, it's a very important fact.
Despite the embarrassing win by Va Tech, the ACC has fallen flat on its face. Ain't no one outside of Tallahassee doesn't see the telltale signs of corruption that would dismantle any other contending team over the course of a summer and fall - well, maybe with the exception of any team from the SEC West - it's good to be in a small town with a "good - ol' - boy" relationship between the PD, the school administration and the local media. If anybody beats them they'll drop like a stone, but the teams with that ability seem to lie outside the ACC.
Then there's the case of the media sweetheart, the Fightin' Irish, who for all intents and purposes BEAT FSU in Tallahassee, but lost to Arizona State and can-you-believe-it, Northwestern, and might well lose to USC (I can only pray) before this season sees Brian Kelly moving in with Brady Hoke and Will Muschump. That's shitting the bed at an unprecedented level... were it not for Michigan... and Oklahoma, and Texas.
That leaves the SEC - ESPN seems intent on forcing the committee to accept two teams from the conference, but if Georgia should somehow survive to win the East and beat either Alabama, or if Auburn should really muck things up and beat 'bama, MSU Deep South, how do they project more than one team into the finals? And if Georgia wins the CCG all hell could break lose in Bristol.
I never thought I would say this after Brax went down and the second game of the season was over, but I think the Bucks have a solid shot, not just to get in, but to win the damn thing.
I like Wisky to win their last two games handily and to present a real challenge in the CCG.
Baylor and TCU aren't Texas or Oklahoma, i.e. they have no pedigree to insure them anything much more than the sentimental vote to "give the little guy a chance to prove himself."
Were Texas or Okie sitting there with a one loss record the lack of a CCG would not be an issue, but because it's Baylor and TCU, and the fact that this is supposed to showcase the best of big college football and draw a huge TV audience, it's a very important fact.
Despite the embarrassing win by Va Tech, the ACC has fallen flat on its face. Ain't no one outside of Tallahassee doesn't see the telltale signs of corruption that would dismantle any other contending team over the course of a summer and fall - well, maybe with the exception of any team from the SEC West - it's good to be in a small town with a "good - ol' - boy" relationship between the PD, the school administration and the local media. If anybody beats them they'll drop like a stone, but the teams with that ability seem to lie outside the ACC.
Then there's the case of the media sweetheart, the Fightin' Irish, who for all intents and purposes BEAT FSU in Tallahassee, but lost to Arizona State and can-you-believe-it, Northwestern, and might well lose to USC (I can only pray) before this season sees Brian Kelly moving in with Brady Hoke and Will Muschump. That's shitting the bed at an unprecedented level... were it not for Michigan... and Oklahoma, and Texas.
That leaves the SEC - ESPN seems intent on forcing the committee to accept two teams from the conference, but if Georgia should somehow survive to win the East and beat either Alabama, or if Auburn should really muck things up and beat 'bama, MSU Deep South, how do they project more than one team into the finals? And if Georgia wins the CCG all hell could break lose in Bristol.
I never thought I would say this after Brax went down and the second game of the season was over, but I think the Bucks have a solid shot, not just to get in, but to win the damn thing.
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CookyPuss
Screw Blue
For those of you that didn't see the CFP show tonight on ESPN, the Buckeyes got nothing but respect. JT was talked about as a Heisman finalist. The references to the VT loss were in the context of "this is a very different team now." The media narrative is certainly turning for this team. That's a very positive thing this time of year.
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SloopyHangOn
WhoO WhoO WhoO!
And I guess my point is that I don't think the committee is going to really care too much about those nuances come decision time.
If they don't think winning the CCG is credit enough, I don't think it's going to matter who the opponent is and what their record looks like.
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SloopyHangOn
WhoO WhoO WhoO!
I'm going to keep my wits about me and believe that the hype is purely for self-serving purposes.
Do I think the pundits are willing to give tOSU some more respect now? Definitely. Do I think it's mostly about contriving the most controversial opinion on who that final spot belongs to and now that tOSU is in that position they're willing to push the narrative? Definitely. Do I think it's in their best interest to talk up a big name program in order to drive viewership going into January? Definitely.
Do I feel as if in any way it affects the decision making of the committee come time to announce the Final Four? Not at all.
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BuckeyeFan 52
Bring the Pain
Not worried about any narrative. I think we care too much about what ESPN thinks, but hey, to each heir own. Fuck it.
I'm comfortable with Indiana, I'm comfortable with Michigan, but after watching our continued lack of physicality beyond the front 4 on defense against run oriented, physical teams (Sparty/Minny), color me slightly concerned if facing Wisky in the BIGCG. This defensive back 7 will need to find a way to square up against Gordon and that o-line. We're good enough to do it, but do it convincingly? That's prob another story.
I like our chances though - Go Bucks
I'm comfortable with Indiana, I'm comfortable with Michigan, but after watching our continued lack of physicality beyond the front 4 on defense against run oriented, physical teams (Sparty/Minny), color me slightly concerned if facing Wisky in the BIGCG. This defensive back 7 will need to find a way to square up against Gordon and that o-line. We're good enough to do it, but do it convincingly? That's prob another story.
I like our chances though - Go Bucks
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cjmik_75
Legend
8-2 Sparty (#11) is really getting no love for losing to the NOW ranked #2 and #6 teams. However after looking at the fact their lone win vs a ranked opponent is to #23 Nebraska... Making them (1-2 vs NOW ranked opponents) should be at #9
8-2 Ole miss (#8) is living off the SEC!!!1!! Overblown early rankings with their LOSSES to NOW #14 Auburn and unranked LSU. But their lone win vs a ranked opponent is to #1 Bama...so SEC or GFY. (1-1 vs NOW ranked opponents) #8 seems right since they did get bammer in Oxford October 4th.
8-2 UCLA (#9) lost at home to both...NOW ranked #2 Oregon and #17 Utah. With 2 wins vs ranked opponents #13 Arizona St and #15 Arizona. (2-2 vs NOW ranked opponents) #11 is where they should be as the PAC teams seem to be all slightly higher than they should be. I say that because they don't drop 3 spots on their bye weeks like B1G schools sometimes do.
Then there's 8-2 UGA (#10) who lost to unranked Florida and unranked South Carolina. Now 2 wins vs ranked opponents #14 Auburn and #20 Missouri makes them (2-0 vs NOW ranked opponents) but two losses to bad unranked teams is a head scratcher. Boy that 4th down spot at the end of the sakerlina game is looming pretty large now...#10 seems spot on. How the fuck d'they lose to the Gators?!???
Bucks win out and I think they move right into the final four. But there's still football to be played...Just. Win.
8-2 Ole miss (#8) is living off the SEC!!!1!! Overblown early rankings with their LOSSES to NOW #14 Auburn and unranked LSU. But their lone win vs a ranked opponent is to #1 Bama...so SEC or GFY. (1-1 vs NOW ranked opponents) #8 seems right since they did get bammer in Oxford October 4th.
8-2 UCLA (#9) lost at home to both...NOW ranked #2 Oregon and #17 Utah. With 2 wins vs ranked opponents #13 Arizona St and #15 Arizona. (2-2 vs NOW ranked opponents) #11 is where they should be as the PAC teams seem to be all slightly higher than they should be. I say that because they don't drop 3 spots on their bye weeks like B1G schools sometimes do.
Then there's 8-2 UGA (#10) who lost to unranked Florida and unranked South Carolina. Now 2 wins vs ranked opponents #14 Auburn and #20 Missouri makes them (2-0 vs NOW ranked opponents) but two losses to bad unranked teams is a head scratcher. Boy that 4th down spot at the end of the sakerlina game is looming pretty large now...#10 seems spot on. How the fuck d'they lose to the Gators?!???
Bucks win out and I think they move right into the final four. But there's still football to be played...Just. Win.
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ShowMeBuck
You know what? Chicken butt.
Just win my ass. I sure hope that's not what this team is thinking. The next 2 games at least should be cake. They should win easily. They should be thinking just get BETTER. Just win should be a given. Just kick-the-dog-shit out of the next 3 teams and fix all the little mistakes (and there are plenty of them) is more in line.
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Completely disagree. If everything were clean-cut black and white, then yeah, winning the CCG should get us in. But if the committee kept Miss St at #4 despite their "big wins" disappearing, do not rule the committee out from keeping Miss St in if they win their last two games convincingly and we pull out a squeaker in the B1G CCG. It should be crystal clear by now that the committee is weighing every minutiae and we need to minimize any factor that weighs against us. Now if Oregon and FSU lose then everything else is moot if we win out...
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SloopyHangOn
WhoO WhoO WhoO!
I must be missing it, then.
I can't really tell WHAT the committee values and what they don't. It sure doesn't look like they're weighing every minutiae.
In my opinion, if they really were eyeing every minor detail as you suggest, then TCU would be your clear #4.
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JXC
17-4 since 2001
In the end our SOS is going to be much higher than TCU or Baylor...I think the committee will have it easy if the last spot is between us, and those two teams...they will pick us, and then they can avoid the Baylor/TCU controversy and can point to strength of schedule as the factor.
So...a MissSt, Bama, FSU, or Oregon loss and we control our own destiny. Seems unlikely to me that they all go undefeated. If they do, then we are going to have to look more impressive than Miss State overall. Helping us do this is the fact that Cincy, Navy, and VaTech all have easy schedules left and could all end up with winning records and Cincy maybe 9-3. This will only help our SOS. And as others have stated, a Minnesota win over Nebraska would be very nice. Would set up a Wisconsin vs. Minnesota game for the West title. Wisconsin should win, and this win will make them look like a very strong 10-2 team, which they would be.
So...a MissSt, Bama, FSU, or Oregon loss and we control our own destiny. Seems unlikely to me that they all go undefeated. If they do, then we are going to have to look more impressive than Miss State overall. Helping us do this is the fact that Cincy, Navy, and VaTech all have easy schedules left and could all end up with winning records and Cincy maybe 9-3. This will only help our SOS. And as others have stated, a Minnesota win over Nebraska would be very nice. Would set up a Wisconsin vs. Minnesota game for the West title. Wisconsin should win, and this win will make them look like a very strong 10-2 team, which they would be.
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Using your point then, if TCU should be #4 but isn't because of their keeping Miss St ahead of them, then how can you expect our just winning out regardless of opponent record to get us into the group of four? We need Mich St, Wiscy, and Minny to ranked in the end and for our CCG opponent to have the best possible record. Even of the show today, while they were talking us up for the most part, they kept coming back to our "resume". Having beaten 3 top-25 teams with one of them being a 10-2 team, vice a 9-3 team, in the CCG, may just be the few extra points we need to get us over the hump...
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