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2014 Preseason and Regular Season Polls

Read through all the responses and there has been some really good points made. One point I would bring up is that the rankings gave me a little faith in the committee in taking into account the holistic control over games and the circumstances. If you watched us Saturday, you saw a team that dominated the game but tried to give it away with costly turnovers...yet still win the game by 7, and against what I think is a pretty good team on the road and in the elements. There were some questionable rankings (by far Auburn, they should be nearly unranked right now).

Obviously, we have to win the next 2 games by a fairly wide margin and win the B1G championship relatively convincingly (if we squeak by in 2 out of 3, we need all hell to break lose). I think Minny beating Nebraska helps us big time after Nebraska's huge loss. If Wisky wins out fairly convincingly, that puts them somewhere between #12-15 heading into the B1G championship game. If we do the same, it is a titanic matchup of two likely Heisman finalists in JT vs. Gordon, which just adds to the agenda with two highly ranked teams.

Even still, we do need help imo, though I think it is more likely than not to happen. IF we really do win out convincingly, then I think we hop over TCU. That still leaves 4 others. F$U plays awful every week and manages to win...if they lose to UF, they are out based on the other games and I would not even rule out BC beating them this week. That alone likely gets us in. Mississippi State still has Ole Miss and Bama still has Auburn...we just need one upset from there (highly likely imo for at least one to happen). That alone likely gets us in. Then what if if Ole Miss loses or barely beats Arkansas, yet beats or almost beats Miss St? That pretty much kills a one-loss Miss St team without a championship appearance if a one-loss OSU team takes care of business. Even if the upset does not happen, the 1 loss champion could very well lose in the championship game to the East. That late in the season to go to two losses...that alone likely gets us in. Finally, I am not convinced TCU will win out/not struggle against OK State and Texas. Baylor might lose to Tech.

In sum, I used to think it would almost take the perfect storm to get us back in...now I think it would almost take the perfect storm to keep us out assuming we do what we need to. We have improved nearly every week and if it comes down to us and a Big 12 team...who actually plays both offense and defense? Who actually has an alumni base that will generate ticket and sponsorship revenue? Who has a storied tradition? As mentioned earlier, if we keep looking this impressive moving forward, I tend to think we are in because one of the above scenarios will likely play out. I agree that the team needs to worry about just beating up on opponents each week, but the fun part of being a fan is that we get to endlessly speculate :biggrin:
 
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Hard to imagine that today is the 8th anniversary of #1 OSU knocking off #2 Michigan to punch their ticket to the BCS title game on "rivalry weekend," and just eight short years later the college football season has already been extended to the point that every team ahead of OSU aside from those in the Big 12 has as many as three games left on their schedule.

Three weeks... Somebody will get clipped. Just win, baby.
 
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So I think the B12 is done -- not accounting for chaos (which is still very likey one of the 4 major players loses their CCG)
TCU just got dropped from the top-4 by a team that lost and despite the final score -- was losing 25-6 in the 4th Quarter. Not only that, but this particular team has only 1 win in the top25 -- and they lost this past Saturday too. How their resume can justify #4 is beyond me... but there's no SEC bias mind.
I figured TCU would be jumped eventually anyway b/c they have no important games left... last week was their high water mark and their stock can only fall, win or lose, here on out.
And Baylor just got jumped by us. They do have 1 game left, but having already been jumped... I don't think it's enough to climb back when 4 teams ahead of them have CCGs, and a 5th has a top-10 matchup against powerhouse Ole Miss (lol, again, no SEC bias)
I think Ohio State jumping TCU is trivial provided we win out.
That leaves jumping Mississippi State... with Ole Miss as over-rated as they are, I don't see it working out for us. 3-loss Auburn is still ranked above Wiscy, as are ASU (lost) and Arizona (needed last-second heroics to beat terrible UW). Despite a huge win in a top-25 matchup, Wiscy only moved into vacant spots left by losers. Therefore, 3-loss Ole Miss will likely remain ranked ahead of 2-loss Wiscy going into the CCG... and provided we win, will certainly remain ranked ahead of 3-loss Wiscy. Making a jump highly unlikely.
Without chaos, we definitely need Minnesota to stay in the top-25.

Long story short, chaos is still our friend... I just hope we're not the chaos like last year. Tragedy will befall one of the CCG games.
 
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Not worried about any narrative. I think we care too much about what ESPN thinks, but hey, to each heir own. Fuck it.

I'm comfortable with Indiana, I'm comfortable with Michigan, but after watching our continued lack of physicality beyond the front 4 on defense against run oriented, physical teams (Sparty/Minny), color me slightly concerned if facing Wisky in the BIGCG. This defensive back 7 will need to find a way to square up against Gordon and that o-line. We're good enough to do it, but do it convincingly? That's prob another story.

I like our chances though - Go Bucks
We've got one more test vs indiana for the run game to show improvement before Bucky. Assuming they take care of business. I will say though that I personally think the run defense hasn't been quite as bad as people have stated. Absolutely needs improvement, and not up to OSU standards, but even if Gordon eats us up for 200 we'll still most likely win. They have no pass offense and our offense is just rolling right now.
 
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Using your point then, if TCU should be #4 but isn't because of their keeping Miss St ahead of them, then how can you expect our just winning out regardless of opponent record to get us into the group of four? We need Mich St, Wiscy, and Minny to ranked in the end and for our CCG opponent to have the best possible record. Even of the show today, while they were talking us up for the most part, they kept coming back to our "resume". Having beaten 3 top-25 teams with one of them being a 10-2 team, vice a 9-3 team, in the CCG, may just be the few extra points we need to get us over the hump...
I didn't say that just winning out would get us into the field of four. I said that if winning out alone won't get us there I don't think winning out with a specific resume is going to help, as evidenced by TCU whose resume is much better than MSST as of right now.
 
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My hope is that they favor a conference champion when records are similar, especially if there is a head to head matchup between potential candidates. If we are 12-1 conference champs, and MSU is there at 11-1, I think they choose us. That LSU-Bama NC was the worst rated championship game in BCS history, it barely beat out the ratings for the regular season matchup. Nobody wants a repeat of that with Bama-MSU in the first round. That regular season game should matter.

I really don't see Baylor or TCU ahead of us when all is said and done. Their schedules are a sham.
 
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I don't think anyone in the top 3 will lose but I could be wrong. Something tells me we get in, but not at the expense of Bama, FSU or Oregon. I think those 3 are ranked where they are because they are the best 3 teams and I just don't see any of them with a loss from here on out but it certainly could happen. I think we get in the #4 spot because we will look better than MSU, TCU, or Baylor. If that happens, then all is right in the world because from where I sit today, those are the best 4 teams.
 
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I asked this in another thread but just what the hell is so impressive about miss st?
THEY BEAT TEXAS A&M!!!!!

I dare you to name 3 other teams that could possibly pull off that feat. I'll tell you who can't. South Carolina, Lamar, Rice, SMU, Arkansas, Louisanna Monroe, Auburn. Now that's a powerhouse of a gauntlet.




Jesus....I didn't actually know how pathetic those wins were until I actually looked. When Miss St beat them and ascended into AMAZING status, they had beaten shitty South Carolina, Lamar, Rice, SMU and Arky. And people wonder why non-SEC people complain about the bias.
 
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My hope is that they favor a conference champion when records are similar, especially if there is a head to head matchup between potential candidates. If we are 12-1 conference champs, and MSU is there at 11-1, I think they choose us. That LSU-Bama NC was the worst rated championship game in BCS history, it barely beat out the ratings for the regular season matchup. Nobody wants a repeat of that with Bama-MSU in the first round. That regular season game should matter.
Agreed. No matter who they think is better tcu us or Msu, once they see it's 1 vs 4 is a rematch of Bama Msu and they played so close to the end of the season and Bama dominated.
 
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Interesting (to me) dynamic: If TCU and Baylor both win out and neither make the playoff, some will perceive that the lack of a CCG (an extra game against a quality opponent) would be part of what contributed to their downfall. If that happens, would they see that as a handicap for their league going forward and would they start looking to add two more members?

I think they already recognize they need a CCG. They were an early adopter, so I think they have a good grasp of why it's beneficial.
The issue is finding 2 schools. BYU could be an obvious one... maybe Boise State?
I don't know, as it stands right now they're the only conference actively looking at Mid Majors... PAC is the only other conference to recently admit a Mid Major (Utah).
The B12 is financially weak, structurally weak, geographically limited (overwhelmingly in Texas and losing ground), and surrounded by 3 very large conferences that'd love to poach some of their schools - particularly the ones in Texas (4 conferences if you count the ACC, which I imagine would be open to adding WVU.)


Anyway T Boone Pickens wants to add Memphis and SMU.
 
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THEY BEAT TEXAS A&M!!!!!

I dare you to name 3 other teams that could possibly pull off that feat. I'll tell you who can't. South Carolina, Lamar, Rice, SMU, Arkansas, Louisanna Monroe, Auburn. Now that's a powerhouse of a gauntlet.




Jesus....I didn't actually know how pathetic those wins were until I actually looked. When Miss St beat them and ascended into AMAZING status, they had beaten [Mark May]ty South Carolina, Lamar, Rice, SMU and Arky. And people wonder why non-SEC people complain about the bias.

You mean #9 SCe ... they'd totally be undefeated in any other conference.
 
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So, if they have a very good season the year before they shouldn't been given a high ranking they next year because you think they have a history of underachieving? Oklahoma finished 11-2 with a stomping of Alabama, finished 6th in both polls, and had most starters returning. I'd say that would validate them being given high ranking in the pre-season polls...

...and they've proven that "validation" to be flat wrong, having lost to every team with a lick on their schedule this year.
 
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