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2014 Preseason and Regular Season Polls

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ORD_Buckeye said:
Hey, I'm enjoying every minute of their season this year. I just realize that it's in Ohio State's best interests for it to stop. The Cooper years have been avenged and evened out, and it's time for this to actually go back to being a rivalry on the field (which again, is in Ohio State's best interests). I've been an Ohio State student or alum through the the latter half of the Earl Bruce years, the Cooper years and the Tressel-Meyer years. The rivalry was a hell of a lot better and more enjoyable under Earl Bruce even if the overall seasons weren't.
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Jim Tressel ruined the league. Had he not avenged the Cooper years and maintained competitive balance in AA, HV and elsewhere, we may not be having this conversation. Of course people would then have confidence issues about osu in a different way.
 
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jwinslow said:
Jim Tressel ruined the league. Had he not avenged the Cooper years and maintained competitive balance in AA, HV and elsewhere, we may not be having this conversation. Of course people would then have confidence issues about osu in a different way.
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If I'm reading that as saying Ohio State's 12 years of dominance were necessary to put Ohio State back into the conversation of elite teams, I certainly agree with you. I also like the fact that the record against Michigan has been evened out; we're +1 since Bo took over. Now, I think what's in Ohio State's best interests is to be the top, but not dominating, team in a much stronger overall league, and a--if not the--key component to that is Michigan righting the ship and giving us a top 10 program as a rival.

And let me ask you something that you'd know much better than me: is it possible for Sparty to maintain their current level should Michigan unhoke itself? Or would we need the pedsters to rise up and take that second strong team in the East role?
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
Hey, I'm enjoying every minute of their season this year. I just realize that it's in Ohio State's best interests for it to stop. The Cooper years have been avenged and evened out, and it's time for this to actually go back to being a rivalry on the field (which again, is in Ohio State's best interests). I've been an Ohio State student or alum through the the latter half of the Earl Bruce years, the Cooper years and the Tressel-Meyer years. The rivalry was a hell of a lot better and more enjoyable under Earl Bruce even if the overall seasons weren't.
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Just for the record....

Ohio State won four national titles between 1954 and 1968.

What was Michigan's record during that period? 78-54-4, for a winning percentage of .571, the 50th best in college football.

Does Ohio State need a strong Big Ten to bolster its reputation? Maybe. Does it need a strong Michigan? No way.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
Just for the record....

Ohio State won four national titles between 1954 and 1968.

What was Michigan's record during that period? 78-54-4, for a winning percentage of .571, the 50th best in college football.

Does Ohio State need a strong Big Ten to bolster its reputation? Maybe. Does it need a strong Michigan? No way.
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Irrelevant. That may have been a down time for Michigan, but the Big Ten was inarguably the dominant conference in college football and strong top to bottom: Wiscy, Minny, Iowa, Sparty and Purdue would all field teams that were national championship contenders in that era. The Big literally dominated the Rose Bowl matchups until the last few years in question. Should the Big Ten rise to that level of dominance again, then you're right that Ohio State doesn't need a strong Michigan. The odds of that happening? 0%! Lacking that broad based Big Ten dominance, a top 10 Michigan team combined with a BCG matchup with a top 10 Wiscy or Corn is the most realistic way to undo and counter the weakness of the conference overall.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
Irrelevant. That may have been a down time for Michigan, but the Big Ten was inarguably the dominant conference in college football and strong top to bottom: Wiscy, Minny, Iowa, Sparty and Purdue would all field teams that were national championship contenders in that era. The Big literally dominated the Rose Bowl matchups until the last few years in question. Should the Big Ten rise to that level of dominance again, then you're right that Ohio State doesn't need a strong Michigan. The odds of that happening? 0%! Lacking that broad based Big Ten dominance, a top 10 Michigan team combined with a BCG matchup with a top 10 Wiscy or Corn is the most realistic way to undo and counter the weakness of the conference overall.
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If Sparty remains a "top 10 team", then we don't need Michigan to be good to "counter the weakness of the conference overall."
 
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I think Ohio State just needs 1 strong conference opponent on the schedule (preferably from same division so it can be consistent)
For now, MSU is filling that role.
In 2016, draw both Nebraska and Wiscy cross-division... so I assume somebody will fill that need.
By 2017 (with Corn cross-division again), PSU and/or Michigan will probably be back in some form.
Rutgers and Maryland should be good to occasionally put out decent seasons as well.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
If I'm reading that as saying Ohio State's 12 years of dominance were necessary to put Ohio State back into the conversation of elite teams, I certainly agree with you. I also like the fact that the record against Michigan has been evened out; we're +1 since Bo took over. Now, I think what's in Ohio State's best interests is to be the top, but not dominating, team in a much stronger overall league, and a--if not the--key component to that is Michigan righting the ship and giving us a top 10 program as a rival.

And let me ask you something that you'd know much better than me: is it possible for Sparty to maintain their current level should Michigan unhoke itself? Or would we need the pedsters to rise up and take that second strong team in the East role?
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I don't think they can be a first tier program. They are terrible at recruiting, even with this much momentum. Their home talent base is also terrible and their presence in Ohio is just mediocre. Now they develop and coach well enough to remain as a tough , top 2nd tier program that occasionally dabbles in league titles, but I don't see them surviving a resurgent Psu and or Michigan program. I see them becoming an Alvarez esque Wisconsin team. Enough to help the league but not a consistent title contender. Of course they've been laughing all the way to Indy recently so I could be wrong.

I think osu needs the big 3 to be quality programs. I don't think they need either to be elite. If Michigan and Psu had maintained a 9-3 type of program, it would be a much different rhetoric regarding osu. Bristol would still twist and overemphasize things to press their advantage but osu would be regarded more like Oklahoma or Oregon in terms of schedule and league difficulty.
 
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I would be fine with MSU taking the place of Michigan. I don't see it happening long term, but for now Michigan State is certainly the better program in their state. The B1G can be strong without the Wolverines, and it's more fun watching them struggle right now.
 
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kujirakira said:
At all? Yes. But definitely dark horse status. The only "peer" (1-loss teams) that we're ahead of is Utah. And like JXC, I'll be surprised if the Auburn-Miss loser isn't ranked ahead of us next week. So.... heh, we basically need everyone to lose.

I'm more worried about whether Ohio State can even make one of the 4 non-playoff bowls if we lose at Sparty.
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That is my only problem. With a loss to MSU we could drop from the rankings. The only way we make a good bowl is to keep the Msu game within 10. I'm not concerned with going to a national title. I just don't see our line developing enough to compete. There is a recipe for beating us: put 9 guys on the line and bring pressure. Any competent defense will do that. I don't want to lose another ncg. I want to win a committee bowl against an ACC runner up or Georgia or ole miss or k state or Baylor.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
I agree that marquee games need to be scheduled far in advance. There are other things though that can be done.

NO two in-state teams per year. Ditch one of the Fredos and replace it with a top mid-major or a mid-tier P5 team. I'd much rather be playing Colorado State or Oregon State than Kent State this year, and one of those teams has a far, far greater opportunity to rise up and be a quality win when the game comes around than does any Fredo school not named juggalo state.

And of course, none of this matters if the Big Ten unfucks itself and we finish the regular season with a top ten matchup with Michigan followed by a top ten matchup with Wiscy or the Corn. But hey, some people are still butthurt over the Cooper years and want to see UM in the dirt even if it hurts Ohio State's playoff chances.
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ORD_Buckeye said:
Hey, I'm enjoying every minute of their season this year. I just realize that it's in Ohio State's best interests for it to stop. The Cooper years have been avenged and evened out, and it's time for this to actually go back to being a rivalry on the field (which again, is in Ohio State's best interests). I've been an Ohio State student or alum through the the latter half of the Earl Bruce years, the Cooper years and the Tressel-Meyer years. The rivalry was a hell of a lot better and more enjoyable under Earl Bruce even if the overall seasons weren't.
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Well, you see, Ord, in this war, things get confused out there. Power, ideals, the old morality, and practical Ohio State necessity. Because there's a conflict in every human heart, between the rational and irrational, between 'Fuck M*ch*g*n' and 'M*ch*g*n needs to be good'. And 'M*ch*g*n needs to be good' does not always triumph. Sometimes, the dark side overcomes what Lincoln called the better angels of our nature.

Fuck M*ch*g*n.

Fuck M*ch*g*n with extreme prejudice.

:urban2:
 
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MaxBuck said:
Face it, it's not just about bias here. The S-E-C West is really, really good. With that said, I think the B1G East is much better than the S-E-C East at the moment.
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It is really good...by far the best conference division in the country. Still, they don't have the top four teams in the country. Auburn and Mississippi are significantly overrated. Mississippi State is legit. Alabama is slightly overrated but still a great team.
 
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