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2013 tOSU Offense Discussion

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ScarletNGry said:
I agree that there is something missing from this offense. It is hard to really justify that based on the outcomes (41 PPG is not bad!) but the entire offense seems to bog down at times. I think this is due to a few items. 1) Injuries in both games will put a cramp in the works (sorry, couldn't resist). 2) I think missing Hyde is a bigger loss than most of us wanted to admit. Hall is nice but he does not seem to break any tackles. and 3) we are just expecting too much.

I have seen it said that this past weekend was remincient of Tresselball. I could not disagree more. I think the second half was all about getting the game done without anymore injuries. Guiten needed the reps for those that are saying if UM was worried about getting KG hurt. Knee injuries are problematic for someone that relies on those legs for cuts and jukes. KG might be the man for a while and he needs reps. He shows he knows where the ball goes and his reads are better than Miller in some ways but his passes gave no chance for YAC.
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I think what we're seeing is a few things:
1: Avoid Injury
2: When a position has proven themselves, test the backups (I don't think the o-line has yet proven themselves enough).
3: Work on plays that aren't as successful after taking a big lead. You see Oregon and Baylor running up the score. I think they are doing that because the coaches and schools know they need to. Urban must think that he doesn't have to run up the score in order to stay in NC contention. Plus they guys are getting good scrimmage reps on plays that need work. We all know from the first half that they can put up 7 on 2/3rds of the possessions if they want. They just choose to use the live action to improve rather than look good.
3: Most importantly I think Urban is holding back. I would bet we haven't seen 2/3 of the playbook. He's holding back some for when it matters. The opponent can't game plan for something that they haven't seen. The play calling will open up only as required for each game. I would venture a guess that we won't see all of the 'working' plays until week 12.
 
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Keep in mind we are in year two of the new system and week two of live opponents. There is still plenty of options to be implemented on the field while also integrating younger/more suitable players into the system. I agree the playbook opens up to about 40% this weekend unless we need to do more. And the final product culminates for the last few games, again as needed.

In tight games, do we throw in a new wrinkle here and there? Absolutely. But the cards aren't fully shown until the endgame (ie scUM/Bowl game).
 
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TampaBuckeyes said:
I think what we're seeing is a few things:
1: Avoid Injury
2: When a position has proven themselves, test the backups (I don't think the o-line has yet proven themselves enough).
3: Work on plays that aren't as successful after taking a big lead. You see Oregon and Baylor running up the score. I think they are doing that because the coaches and schools know they need to. Urban must think that he doesn't have to run up the score in order to stay in NC contention. Plus they guys are getting good scrimmage reps on plays that need work. We all know from the first half that they can put up 7 on 2/3rds of the possessions if they want. They just choose to use the live action to improve rather than look good.
3: Most importantly I think Urban is holding back. I would bet we haven't seen 2/3 of the playbook. He's holding back some for when it matters. The opponent can't game plan for something that they haven't seen. The play calling will open up only as required for each game. I would venture a guess that we won't see all of the 'working' plays until week 12.
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THIS.

One of the reasons Oregon in particular thinks they need style points is, quite frankly, they have a greater chance at a loss given their schedule compared to ours. I'd give the Pac 12 an edge over the B1G from what I have seen so far and I most certainly would give Stanford more credibility than TTUN. This poses an interesting challenge though. If they run the table in a conference that ends the season in good standing then we may be on the outside looking in. The point: like it or not style points always help.
 
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I wonder if and how much the offense will change when Carlos Hyde gets back. I love the power and tenacity he displays. Also I wonder how the offense will change, if at all, when adverse weather takes a toll?
 
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ShowMeBuck said:
One of the reasons Oregon in particular thinks they need style points is, quite frankly, they have a greater chance at a loss given their schedule compared to ours.
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The bigger reason Oregon needs style points is that they play a very high-risk game. Oregon is much more likely than, say, Stanford to beat someone by 60 points, but they're also much more likely to lose to Bumfuck State.
 
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We need "practice" reps in controlling the clock with the run game. Urban's offense isn't a one-trick pony gimmick spread attack. I've got no problem with shutting things down in the second half as long as it's because we're choosing to do it and continuing to control the game. We'll need to be able to do it in some of the conference games.
 
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TampaBuckeyes said:
I think what we're seeing is a few things:
1: Avoid Injury
2: When a position has proven themselves, test the backups (I don't think the o-line has yet proven themselves enough).
3: Work on plays that aren't as successful after taking a big lead. You see Oregon and Baylor running up the score. I think they are doing that because the coaches and schools know they need to. Urban must think that he doesn't have to run up the score in order to stay in NC contention. Plus they guys are getting good scrimmage reps on plays that need work. We all know from the first half that they can put up 7 on 2/3rds of the possessions if they want. They just choose to use the live action to improve rather than look good.
3: Most importantly I think Urban is holding back. I would bet we haven't seen 2/3 of the playbook. He's holding back some for when it matters. The opponent can't game plan for something that they haven't seen. The play calling will open up only as required for each game. I would venture a guess that we won't see all of the 'working' plays until week 12.
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Really agree with #3...they are trying to work on specific areas, not win every game by 100. It is about the overall picture and this offense is more than capable of putting up points on very good defenses. I think we are only going to see improvement down the road.

With that said, I think any play trying to get Devin Smith in space is misguided. Great receiver going vertical or on intermediate routes, but he simply does nothing after the ball is in his hands. Philly is fairly effective in that regard, as is Dontre and J. Hall...just let them make things happen in space and just let Devin do what he does best. And as has already been stated, Dontre definitely needs to keep seeing more and more touches...hands down the most electric guy on our offense aside from Braxton right now.
 
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Since I'm bored at work, just looking at stats.

Percy after first 2 games of freshman season:
Sep 2, 2006 Florida vs Southern Mississippi
4car for 58yds at 14.5ypc & 3rec 33yds 11avg = 7touches 91yds 13.0avg

Sep 9, 2006 Florida vs Central Florida
2car 11yds 5.5ypc & 4rec 99yds 24.8avg 1td = 6touches 110yds 18.3avg 1td

Dontre after first 2 games of freshman season:
Aug 31, 2013 Ohio State vs Buffalo
3car 11yds 3.7ypc & 1rec 18yds 18avg = 4touches 29yds 7.3avg

Sep 7, 2013 Ohio State vs SDSU
5car 51yds 10.2ypc 1td & 3rec 6yds 2.0avg = 8touches 57yds 7.1avg

Doesn't mean much of anything, but was pretty interesting to look at.
 
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Not exactly. Percy had the size to motion into the backfield and take a handoff between the tackles. He didn't do it that much his freshman year, but his sophomore and junior years he did.

Wilson could do the same but he'll need some solid mass before doing so. Percy got big before his 2nd year. Dontre can do the same.

Right now he's nearly an exclusive perimeter threat.
 
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Buckeneye said:
Not exactly. Percy had the size to motion into the backfield and take a handoff between the tackles. He didn't do it that much his freshman year, but his sophomore and junior years he did.

Wilson could do the same but he'll need some solid mass before doing so. Percy got big before his 2nd year. Dontre can do the same.

Right now he's nearly an exclusive perimeter threat.
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So are you saying dontre is closer to jeff demps currently than harvin?
 
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