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2013 Rivals/Scout/etc. National & Regional Rankings

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Buckeye86;2197950; said:
You're thinking of Travis Howard. He was a 4-star on Rivals (#19 CB) and a 3-star on scout (#24 CB) with reported offers from Florida, Miami (FL), Auburn, Tennessee, North Carolina, Georgia Tech and Wisconsin.

I don't recall him being considered a consolation prize with Sabino at all, particularly since Howard committed before Sabino.

Your point about underrated players making an impact is valid and has been made numerous times before, but you could make a better case for it with more accurate examples.
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I know my point was valid, thank you for letting me know that. And there was nothing wwrong with my examples. Just because he committed first doesn't mean that he didn't aid in bringing in sabino was point. He was a consolation because at the time he was seen as a middle of the back cb that may or may not make much difference yet his teammate was supposed to be a can't miss product. Just like there was rumors on other sites about Jordan hall not making much difference and just following Pryor
 
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pnuts34;2198225; said:
I know my point was valid, thank you for letting me know that. And there was nothing wwrong with my examples. Just because he committed first doesn't mean that he didn't aid in bringing in sabino was point. He was a consolation because at the time he was seen as a middle of the back cb that may or may not make much difference yet his teammate was supposed to be a can't miss product. Just like there was rumors on other sites about Jordan hall not making much difference and just following Pryor
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And Howard is on the verge of being beaten out by a younger, highly rated CB in Doran Grant. Ratings are more reliable than not, although there are obviously propspects that beat the odds. This point has been driven into the ground. However, 20-30 spots in the rankings are not significant enough to make any difference.
 
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RB07OSU;2198227; said:
And Howard is on the verge of being beaten out by a younger, highly rated CB in Doran Grant. Ratings are more reliable than not, although there are obviously propspects that beat the odds. This point has been driven into the ground. However, 20-30 spots in the rankings are not significant enough to make any difference.
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It will always be beaten to death because recruiting isn't exact. And yes a younger higher rated player may beat out Howard but our best shutdown corner was one of our lowest rated coming out of HS
 
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pnuts34;2198293; said:
It will always be beaten to death because recruiting isn't exact. And yes a younger higher rated player may beat out Howard but our best shutdown corner was one of our lowest rated coming out of HS
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Could you tell me about AJ Hawk's rating? I'd love to see this conversation continued.
 
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MUBuck;2198298; said:
Could you tell me about AJ Hawk's rating? I'd love to see this conversation continued.
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It's absolutely true that there are some 3-stars that excelled at tOSU, but the fact is there are more 4 and 5-stars that excelled than 3-stars. The probability that a 5-star or 4-star player excelling is much higher than a 3-star player excelling.

And just because some 3-stars turned out awesome isn't reason to stockpile 3-stars over 4-star or 5-star players. That is insanity. Sometimes, it might pay, but most times, it won't. And that's all RB07OSU is saying.
 
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ant80;2198301; said:
It's absolutely true that there are some 3-stars that excelled at tOSU, but the fact is there are more 4 and 5-stars that excelled than 3-stars. The probability that a 5-star or 4-star player excelling is much higher than a 3-star player excelling.

And just because some 3-stars turned out awesome isn't reason to stockpile 3-stars over 4-star or 5-star players. That is insanity. Sometimes, it might pay, but most times, it won't. And that's all RB07OSU is saying.
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And I've always agreed with that. I would always want a 4 or 5 star. My initial post was just laughing at the rankings on rivals and listing some of our best players, who happened to be 3 star guys coming out of HS. Not trying to argue. I think we're saying the same thing in different ways
 
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There are also about 10x as MANY 3 stars as 4 stars. A higher PERCENTAGE of 4 star recruits turn into STARS, but due to sheer quantity the total number of 3 stars who turn into STARS is probably equal or slightly higher than THE number of 4 STAR recruits who turn into STAR PLAYERS.

That said, M Jenkins, J Laur, AJ Hawk (although he dropped in the STAR rankings due to his injury in HS), Vernon Gholston and many more OF our stars have been 3 stars. The FACTS are clear

WHAT? THIS ISN'T AUDIBLES?! Shit
 
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There is a difference between a 3-star recruit that goes to Ohio State vs. one that goes to some place like Indiana. Rankings are good indicators. Really good. But big-time programs have their own ratings that we don't know about. I doubt the OSU staff, for example, believes that Sprinkle or Lee are 3-star guys on their evaluations. So that's imprtant to take into account.
 
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maximumblitz;2198513; said:
I cannot find a link right now, but I remember an interview of JT, when JT said that not all tOSU coaches wanted Hawk up on their board. Some coaches felt a different linebacker should be recruited.
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From 1992 to 2003 Bill Conley was Ohio State's recruiting coordinator. In 2004 he was not.

Given how truly awful the 2003 class was, I imagine there was a lot more disagreement than just one player amongst the staff in the final years.
 
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Analyst predicts Penn State, Pitt recruiting demise

Mike Farrell is predicting a disastrous demise for the Pitt and Penn State football programs, and that Pennsylvania's talent will be raided as a result. The Rivals.com national recruiting analyst says, between the two schools, the state's top prospects might stay home this year but not in the next few classes. "The Big Ten, Big East, ACC and SEC teams will start to look to Pa.," Farrell said, "and they'll be licking their chops." What's worse is that Farrell believes the wounds were self-inflicted, that two proud programs are suffering for their own sins. "There were two critical mistakes that brought us to where we are today," Farrell said. "The first was the cover-up of the child sex abuse at Penn State. That has destroyed that program. And firing Dave Wannstedt has destroyed the Pitt program. You look at the comedy of errors since, with the hirings they made. This didn't have to happen at either place." Neither Penn State's Bill O'Brien nor Pitt's Paul Chryst deserves blame for the mess he inherited. Instead, look at their athletic directors.

Entire article: http://triblive.com/sports/2542453-...-recruiting-analyst-brought-com#axzz25zLcHRl2
 
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