2013 Rivals/Scout/etc. National & Regional Rankings

[Buckeye86]

If this doesn't prove the camp bias I don't know what does. From his BP page: 2011 stats (defense): 180 tackles, 5 interceptions, 3 forced fumbles, 3 fumble recoveries for touchdowns.

Let me get this straight. This is the last thing we have to judge him on and he is not a top 100 player?

Throw in his offers as well: Ohio State, Alabama, Texas, Florida, Virginia Tech, Clemson, Georgia, Tennessee, Auburn, Arkansas, Nebraska, Notre Dame, South Carolina, UCLA and others.

I am shocked that those schools would be willing to take a risk on a kid that hasn't *gasp* participated in the recruiting service's money makers- er, I mean summer camps.

Yes, camp bias exists.

To pile on, if I may. These:

Found a few 1 on 1 videos from The Opening

The Opening - Day 1 OL/DL One-On-Ones - YouTube

The Opening - Day 2 OL/DL One-On-Ones - YouTube

The Opening - Day 3 Morning OL/DL One-On-Ones- YouTube

The Opening - Day 3 Afternoon OL/DL One-On-Ones - YouTube

are the kind of drills that they are putting more weight behind than anything else.

While it might be true that these camps are the only opportunity to see players going up against "the best," those drills aren't even in the same galaxy as a realistic game simulation (they're not even wearing pads in some of the drills ).

I cannot say this enough: recruiting services are in the business of making money; they are not in the business of accurately or fairly rating high school football prospects.

 

[Smudger]

Rivals 250

Of note from 100-250:

#103 Michael Hill
#104 Evan Lisle
#120 Ezekiel Elliot
#124 J.T. Barrett
#146 Marcus Baugh
#160 Billy Price
#170 Vonn Bell
#182 James Quick
#187 Dorian Johnson
#195 Jayme Thompson
#215 Cornelius Elder
#217 Devon Allen

 

[Smudger]

Updated Rivals 250

Commits:
13. Cam Burrows
19. Eli Woodard
20. Joey Bosa
48. Jalin Marshall
102. Evan Lisle
135. Marcus Baugh
144. Ezekiel Elliott
149. JT Barrett
151. Billy Price
179. Jayme Thompson

Evan Lisle fell two spots, Marcus Baugh fell 11, Ezekiel Elliot moved up 24, J.T. Barrett moved up 25, Billy Price fell nine & Jayme Thompson fell 16.

 

[Taosman]

Well gee. They don't favor offensive guys do they? No, not one bit.
Repeat after me; Recruiting is a crap shoot! Now rinse and put on delicates cycle.

 

[RB07OSU]

Only one I don't understand is Baugh...he had a really impressive showing this summer.

 

[AFK4403]

Rivals 250

Of note from 100-250:

#103 Michael Hill
#104 Evan Lisle
#120 Ezekiel Elliot
#124 J.T. Barrett
#146 Marcus Baugh
#160 Billy Price
#170 Vonn Bell
#182 James Quick
#187 Dorian Johnson
#195 Jayme Thompson
#215 Cornelius Elder
#217 Devon Allen

I know it's easy to argue with almost every individual ranking, and it's impossible to make everyone happy. But there are 170 better prospects than Vonn Bell and James Quick? That's particularly comical.

And I'm sure I'm not alone on this, but I don't know how Bosa will perform this year without the 7on7 D-line experience this summer. I'm worried his play might suffer.

 

[pnuts34]

All you can do is kind of chuckle at recruiting rankings. Last I remember, john Simon, Tracy Howard, Bradley roby., Jon Hankins Jordan hall, jack mewhort, and Zach boren were all 3 stars or less. We'll be fine, the rankings seem like more about bragging rights then anything else

 

[Taosman]

There are just too many kids to evaluate adequately. And the experts have their own biases. Trust the coaches!

 

[OH10]

After what James Quick did to Brentwood last week, his stock is only going to rise further. Vonn Bell is a five-star safety. Rivals is missing out on that. But they're still, generally, the best at ranking individuals players than the other scouting services. Not going to be upset that they have a few Buckeyers lower than they should be. Billy Price is probably higher than he should be at this point.

 

[NastyNatiBuck]

All you can do is kind of chuckle at recruiting rankings. Last I remember, john Simon, Tracy Howard, Bradley roby., Jon Hankins Jordan hall, jack mewhort, and Zach boren were all 3 stars or less. We'll be fine, the rankings seem like more about bragging rights then anything else

Those guys were 4 stars I believe.

 

[pnuts34]

Those guys were 4 stars I believe.

Depnding on the site they were. But those guys didn't get much love. Tracy definitely didn't. He was seen as almost a consolation for getting 5star sabino

 

[Buckeye86]

Depnding on the site they were. But those guys didn't get much love. Tracy definitely didn't. He was seen as almost a consolation for getting 5star sabino

You're thinking of Travis Howard. He was a 4-star on Rivals (#19 CB) and a 3-star on scout (#24 CB) with reported offers from Florida, Miami (FL), Auburn, Tennessee, North Carolina, Georgia Tech and Wisconsin.

I don't recall him being considered a consolation prize with Sabino at all, particularly since Howard committed before Sabino.

Your point about underrated players making an impact is valid and has been made numerous times before, but you could make a better case for it with more accurate examples.

 

[wadc45]

Class of 2013 Ohio Preseason State Rankings

Gibson and Munger are the only uncommitted recruits in the top 30.

 

[southcampus]

I understand that these rating agencies are a business, yada yada yada but it baffles me that they can order and re order prospects multiple times IN THE OFFSEASON. Not a game, no not a game, man we talkin' bout practice.

On the field success > camp success

 

[MaxBuck]

To a large degree, recruiting rating services are a lot like NFL general managers -- they are much more impressed by potential than they are actual performance. And it's not entirely invalid, because the quality of a player's HS coaching staff will have a marked effect on game performance as it can be observed in person or on video.

I don't think either approach is necessarily better, and it's equally wrong to either treat ranking service ratings as gospel or to ignore their value altogether.