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2009 TSUN News (football only discussion)

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ysubuck;1489294; said:
A good coach does not come into a program like Michigan and completely drive it into the shitter under the guise of "rebuilding." The recruits were there and the talent was there and the tradition is there. So what did he do? He showed that he is a coach that can't/won't tailor an offense to the talent that he has. So as a Michigan alum I have to suffer through 2 or 3 (that's assuming he ever rights the ship) horrible years to get back to where we already were?
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I've bolded the other thing that confounds me about Michigan fan and the RR hire. When RR was named, there were many Michigan fans on many boards talking about how Michigan would step right in to RR's new system and go. The reason? "Michigan surely has better talent than they have at West Virginia... if RR could move the ball like a hot knife against butter using that relative talentless group, imagine what he'll do once he gets to work with Michigan's talent!!!!!"

Reasonable posters on this board were saying it's a system that requires a certain KIND of talent (some of those reasonable posters were Michigan fans, to be sure) and predicted growing pains. But, most posts I remember were "No way. Michigan's got x amount of 5 stars and z amount of 4 stars bla bla bla... WVU did it with a bunch of 3 stars..."

Then the 3-9 and we hear about how Carr left the cupboard bare (He didn't. Michigan would have been something like 9-3, 8-4 or some such, is my guess, if Carr was coach last year... and Big Tex would still be there....) Anyway, it's with no small sense of irony, to me, that now we see RR recruiting the same guy he recruited at WVU.... that's not to say these guys aren't skilled and have no business in big time football. But, 12 slots? Seriously? Come the fuck on....

So.. that's not really a comment on how Michigan might fare in the future, just a comment on why we may have to come to regard Michigan fans as waiving their dicks in the wind these days.

I've said it before but the shining star of last year's first year coaches was Paul Johnson at Georgia Tech. There is a guy that can bring his system in and adapt it to the players that he has available to him. That's what a great coach does.
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I will admit watching Paul Johnson teams run is a thing of beauty. Same problem with the spread in terms of one dimension. But, if it were me, I'd take a run based gimmick like his over the small but fast based gimmick we see the spread bringing. It's easier, I think, to go back to a more "formal" way of playing the game when you're coming from a run based attack. I'm not sure the Nebraska fall from grace supports me on that, but it's my opinion nontheless.
 
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BB73;1489313; said:
Not unless tOSU is #1 in November. That game cost tOSU back-to-back National titles, which would have been a foregone conclusion since tOSU would not have gone to a bowl that year even if they'd won.

You're looking at that game after the fact of The Ten Year War. But it was Bo's first time in The Game, and the previous year was 50-14, despite TSUN being ranked AP #4 going into the 1968 game.
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Interesting question here. I can see a little of both sides.

The 1969 scUM team had a legend in the making for a HC and was 7-2 going into The Game. That's 2 points in favor of a would-be 2009 upset being bigger. At this point in time its almost impossible to see the '09 team having that type of success and RR most definitly doesn't know Bo.

The 1969 OSU team was arguably the best team in OSU history. They had steamrolled everyone they played and as BB73 said it was a no doubt about it, win and you are NC set up to The Game. The 2009 team won't be that good (as the '69 team), and the most The Game could mean is for a trip to the NC game.

All in all, the stakes could never be higher than '69. Where the two programs are in terms of talent, HC's and winning records could be worse in 2009 than it was in 1969 time will tell.

If it does somehow happen this year it will have to be at least discussed in the same breath as '69, thats for sure. I will agree with our scUM friends on one point...the amount of "no way it can happen" "can't stay within 3 TD's of us" kind of talk scares me. I know it isn't rational but I believe in karma, especially sports karma. Lets just say I think we'll have the better team but anything can happen.
 
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Buckeye86;1489292; said:
this is slightly off topic, but

maize

napkin-color-maize.jpg


what an ugly ass color

watching Big Ten Network this morning got me thinking, there is no way in hell that Michigan's neon highlighter pants can possibly be the color maize, but lo and behold, it is pretty close, who would have guessed that maize does actually look like glow in the dark urine
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The "maize" color has changed quite a few times in the history of the school.
 
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Jaxbuck;1489328; said:
Interesting question here. I can see a little of both sides.

The 1969 scUM team had a legend in the making for a HC and was 7-2 going into The Game. That's 2 points in favor of a would-be 2009 upset being bigger. At this point in time its almost impossible to see the '09 team having that type of success and RR most definitly doesn't know Bo.

The 1969 OSU team was arguably the best team in OSU history. They had steamrolled everyone they played and as BB73 said it was a no doubt about it, win and you are NC set up to The Game. The 2009 team won't be that good (as the '69 team), and the most The Game could mean is for a trip to the NC game.

All in all, the stakes could never be higher than '69. Where the two programs are in terms of talent, HC's and winning records could be worse in 2009 than it was in 1969 time will tell.

If it does somehow happen this year it will have to be at least discussed in the same breath as '69, thats for sure. I will agree with our scUM friends on one point...the amount of "no way it can happen" "can't stay within 3 TD's of us" kind of talk scares me. I know it isn't rational but I believe in karma, especially sports karma. Lets just say I think we'll have the better team but anything can happen.
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Very nice post Jax. I had to look twice at the username because I didn't believe you typed it. I tried to rep you, but it said I have to share the love, so I'll get you some other time.

Anyway, here's my take on the 1969 comparison. I don't really agree with it at all. You hit on a few points, especially how strong that OSU team was. When I look at this years OSU team, I think they are as susceptible as OSU has been in recent history. I'm not saying, oh my you guys are going to suck. No doubt you've got talent stepping up to the plate this year. It's just that you are replacing a lot of lost talent as well. There are unknowns. Not to you, but the rest of college football, yes. I think OSU will be good, just not sure how good. From what I saw of your spring game, it looked like your secondary could be your achilles heel. If they don't perform, it will put a drain on the entire defense.
 
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blueinfla;1489345; said:
Very nice post Jax. I had to look twice at the username because I didn't believe you typed it. I tried to rep you, but it said I have to share the love, so I'll get you some other time.

Anyway, here's my take on the 1969 comparison. I don't really agree with it at all. You hit on a few points, especially how strong that OSU team was. When I look at this years OSU team, I think they are as susceptible as OSU has been in recent history. I'm not saying, oh my you guys are going to suck. No doubt you've got talent stepping up to the plate this year. It's just that you are replacing a lot of lost talent as well. There are unknowns. Not to you, but the rest of college football, yes. I think OSU will be good, just not sure how good. From what I saw of your spring game, it looked like your secondary could be your achilles heel. If they don't perform, it will put a drain on the entire defense.
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Against who? All the top rated passing teams we play? Against USC and Penn State (maybe), sure. The corners are the real question, Anderson Russell is a veteran, and Kurt Coleman is a playmaker.

If they played in the Big 12, it could be an issue. But seriously, who will do damage?
 
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Re: OSU's secondary

Safeties Anderson Russell and Kurt Coleman (both SRs) won't be an issue and I think Chekwa will be fine on one side so it really comes down to who gets the job on the other side.

The good news is the DLine is allegedly a strength now, and so if they can get pressure, that'll only help the secondary. As much as it hurts loosing Little Animal and Marcus Freeman, Ohio State is deep at LB. True enough you don't loose those two and get better, but I'm optomistic the drop off wont be severe.

Im really more suspicious about the DLine than the secondary. In any case, I'm reasonably assured that the Defense will be solid once again.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1489348; said:
Re: OSU's secondary

Safeties Anderson Russell and Kurt Coleman (both SRs) won't be an issue and I think Chekwa will be fine on one side so it really comes down to who gets the job on the other side.

The good news is the DLine is allegedly a strength now, and so if they can get pressure, that'll only help the secondary. As much as it hurts loosing Little Animal and Marcus Freeman, Ohio State is deep at LB. True enough you don't loose those two and get better, but I'm optomistic the drop off wont be severe.

Im really more suspicious about the DLine than the secondary. In any case, I'm reasonably assured that the Defense will be solid once again.
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This is a thread about skunkbear, but I don't share your confidence about our secondary. Russell hasn't been the same in years. Coleman is solid. Checkwa seems solid, but the others are all unproven. It's a concern from where I sit.
 
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matcar;1489379; said:
This is a thread about skunkbear, but I don't share your confidence about our secondary. Russell hasn't been the same in years. Coleman is solid. Checkwa seems solid, but the others are all unproven. It's a concern from where I sit.
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I am not sure what you mean about Russell. Sure he got burned on his last play last year, but he's far from a liability, and it seems like his ability to catch the sure INT returned last year (It left him in 07)....

So, 3 of the 4 guys in the secondary are long time starters and/or experienced players (Chekwa was not the full time starter last season, I do not think, but for all I recall he may have been. I'm sure he got a couple starts, for example when D-Wash was out...)... I'll agree that there's not a lot of proven depth, but at the top I don't see a lot of cause for alarm.
 
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blueinfla;1489334; said:
No, his first full class of recruits just got to AA this past week. In my eyes, he's got probably three more seasons to prove he can win at UM.
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Yep, the lack of talent was definitely the problem last year. :roll1:. All Carr did was have double digit wins and 9 wins, respectively, in his last two seasons, yet RR turned that talent into a 3-9 joke.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1489472; said:
I am not sure what you mean about Russell. Sure he got burned on his last play last year, but he's far from a liability, and it seems like his ability to catch the sure INT returned last year (It left him in 07)....

So, 3 of the 4 guys in the secondary are long time starters and/or experienced players (Chekwa was not the full time starter last season, I do not think, but for all I recall he may have been. I'm sure he got a couple starts, for example when D-Wash was out...)... I'll agree that there's not a lot of proven depth, but at the top I don't see a lot of cause for alarm.
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If it was just one play in the Fiesta Bowl, then you'd have a point, but ARuss has not been the player of 2006 since...well 2006...before the injury. It's a question mark.

Chekwa...like you I THINK he's going to be a real keeper, but I suppose this yr will prove that. Other than him...well we have no proven depth at CB, so if you're not concerned then you're not paying attention. Doesn't mean it won't all work out OK, but it's a real cause for concern as we look upon the upcoming season.
 
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