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blueinfla
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3074326;1489130; said:
What I wrote has nothing to do with this m20 character. I was just interested in hearing about your reaction if UM were to beat OSU this year, or next, knowing how some here talk about UM. There's talking trash and being completely obnoxious to the point of being irrational/thick headed. I'm not saying you, personally, were being obnoxious; it's just a general observation about some users on this site. On the other hand, quite a few people on here are pretty intelligent and have some great things to say, which is why I frequent this site.
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When Michigan beats Ohio State again (yes, when, not if) I won't be eating any crow, nor will I feel like anything I've said has set myself up for a fall. RRs performance at AA has been below what I would have expected. I have no shame in that opinion, and losing to teams like Toledo and getting absolutely run out of the Shoe 42-7 only further solidify my opinion. But, like I said, Michigan will one day beat Ohio State. That day will suck for me, but... I won't be avoiding this thread or you, bluinfla, worrying about eating any crow.
Besides, even if RR did win a Game in the near future, one win does not a trend make. No sense in assuming I should go all chicken little if RR gets what might turn out to be a "lucky" win with his 78 slot dots at some point.
Besides, even if RR did win a Game in the near future, one win does not a trend make. No sense in assuming I should go all chicken little if RR gets what might turn out to be a "lucky" win with his 78 slot dots at some point.
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brutus2002
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I'll be honest and answer your question. It would be the biggest upset in Michigan-OSU since 1969...hands down.
After watching your spring game I was totally amazed at how both phases looked(defense and Special Teams)...unbelievably horrid. The could not even make a 40 yard FG or get the snap to the kickers. Special teams is another aspect of the game Michigan had better shore up quick, fast, and in a hurry.
If Michigan comes within 21 points I would say Michigan fought tough. If they come withing 10 points I will be amazed.
After watching your spring game I was totally amazed at how both phases looked(defense and Special Teams)...unbelievably horrid. The could not even make a 40 yard FG or get the snap to the kickers. Special teams is another aspect of the game Michigan had better shore up quick, fast, and in a hurry.
If Michigan comes within 21 points I would say Michigan fought tough. If they come withing 10 points I will be amazed.
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You don't know what obnoxious means if you think any BP posters are. In real life, you'd want to fight me after about four minutes.
brutus2002;1489162; said:
It would probably be bigger than 1969. Michigan was actually good and had a hell of a coach.
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Know when your program sucks? When you have to live vicariously through others.mh20;1488653; said:
Know when you suck as a poster? When you try to talk trash on your rival's message board with the handle of a player that went 0-4 against said rival.
Wait a sec, Bikey? Is that really you? How's your knee lil buddy?
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sparcboxbuck
What happened to my ¤cash?
zwem;1489255; said:
I believe it is the truth you speak...
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Buckeye86
I do not choose to discuss it
this is slightly off topic, but
maize
what an ugly ass color
watching Big Ten Network this morning got me thinking, there is no way in hell that Michigan's neon highlighter pants can possibly be the color maize, but lo and behold, it is pretty close, who would have guessed that maize does actually look like glow in the dark urine
maize
what an ugly ass color
watching Big Ten Network this morning got me thinking, there is no way in hell that Michigan's neon highlighter pants can possibly be the color maize, but lo and behold, it is pretty close, who would have guessed that maize does actually look like glow in the dark urine
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ysubuck
Be water my friend.
What am I going to say if UM beats OSU this year?
I'm not sure what I'd say to be honest. I don't see this UM team coming within 21 points of Ohio State this year. UM couldn't beat Ohio State this year if the Buckeyes played their worst and the Wolverines played their best and I truly believe that. The gap in talent is that wide right now. And that is a HUGE knock on the UM program.
This is the greatest rivalry in sports and your coach is doing nothing to hold up UM's end of the bargain. I watched UM's spring game and there is NOTHING to be excited about this year if you are a Michigan Man. I really couldn't believe my eyes during THE GAME last season. That Michigan team was so fundamentally inept that it was almost like they were trying to lose the game by 50. That's coaching. A middle school team can consistently field punts. If I'm Greg Robinson I'm keeping one eye on my defense and the other eye out for potential jobs. RichRod is not recruiting defense. He is an offensive guy and could give a shit about the defense and it's painfully obvious. If Jim Tressel were recruiting for the 2010 class the way that Rod is the MODS on BP would be very busy every day.
A good coach does not come into a program like Michigan and completely drive it into the shitter under the guise of "rebuilding." The recruits were there and the talent was there and the tradition is there. So what did he do? He showed that he is a coach that can't/won't tailor an offense to the talent that he has. So as a Michigan alum I have to suffer through 2 or 3 (that's assuming he ever rights the ship) horrible years to get back to where we already were?
Michigan is fucked if Rod doesn't turn it around because what do they do? Fire him? Then who do you bring in to coach a roster full of guys who are tailored to run only one type of offense? Who do you bring in to coach a defense full of offensive cast offs? The damage that this philosophy could potentially do to a tradition rich program like UM could be felt for 10 years or more.
I've said it before but the shining star of last year's first year coaches was Paul Johnson at Georgia Tech. There is a guy that can bring his system in and adapt it to the players that he has available to him. That's what a great coach does.
I'm not sure what I'd say to be honest. I don't see this UM team coming within 21 points of Ohio State this year. UM couldn't beat Ohio State this year if the Buckeyes played their worst and the Wolverines played their best and I truly believe that. The gap in talent is that wide right now. And that is a HUGE knock on the UM program.
This is the greatest rivalry in sports and your coach is doing nothing to hold up UM's end of the bargain. I watched UM's spring game and there is NOTHING to be excited about this year if you are a Michigan Man. I really couldn't believe my eyes during THE GAME last season. That Michigan team was so fundamentally inept that it was almost like they were trying to lose the game by 50. That's coaching. A middle school team can consistently field punts. If I'm Greg Robinson I'm keeping one eye on my defense and the other eye out for potential jobs. RichRod is not recruiting defense. He is an offensive guy and could give a shit about the defense and it's painfully obvious. If Jim Tressel were recruiting for the 2010 class the way that Rod is the MODS on BP would be very busy every day.
A good coach does not come into a program like Michigan and completely drive it into the shitter under the guise of "rebuilding." The recruits were there and the talent was there and the tradition is there. So what did he do? He showed that he is a coach that can't/won't tailor an offense to the talent that he has. So as a Michigan alum I have to suffer through 2 or 3 (that's assuming he ever rights the ship) horrible years to get back to where we already were?
Michigan is fucked if Rod doesn't turn it around because what do they do? Fire him? Then who do you bring in to coach a roster full of guys who are tailored to run only one type of offense? Who do you bring in to coach a defense full of offensive cast offs? The damage that this philosophy could potentially do to a tradition rich program like UM could be felt for 10 years or more.
I've said it before but the shining star of last year's first year coaches was Paul Johnson at Georgia Tech. There is a guy that can bring his system in and adapt it to the players that he has available to him. That's what a great coach does.
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As to what I think the future of Michigan football is, all joking and prodding aside....
I share pretty much the same idea re: Michigan's defense as what Jwins outlined. If I were a Michigan fan, and because of the kind of person I am (I prefer defense to offense), I would be very very concerned right now. It seriously looks as if RR has no regard of any kind for defense. He'll get a player from time to time, like Pacman down at WVU, and I think Vlad will be a good one as well... but, one player cannot baton down the hatches enough when the rest of the D is undersized and not properly manned depth wise.
Likewise, I am truly not as optomistic about Michigan's future offense as most. I don't know why this is so hard for folks to appreciate, but it took not one.. but two of the best RBs in college football (White and Slaton) to get WVU's attack in "unstoppable" mode... actually, if you count Darius Reynaud, it took 3 great RBs.. Even then, it actually was stoppable. Any Big East Team which bothered to pay attention to Defense (ie South Florida) had success against RRs attack. In short, like any other "gimmick" attack, as soon as you take away the gimmick, or if it just isnt' working, say it's "one of those days" where you're fumbling all the time... there's nothing else. Pair that with a suspect D and the losses pile up.
I think that RR is a great coach... for a second tier team. I do not think he has what it takes to make Michigan "great" by the standards Michigan fans should have. Given time, RR might win a couple big ten championships, I don't know. But, I would be surprised if he did so with any consistency. As someone else mentioned, it wasn't until Va Tech and Miami left that WVU began to dominate the Big East.... likewise, it was their soft schedule which had guys like Phil Steele ranking them top 5 (I'm not just saying that, Phil used WVU's weak schedule as an indication that they'd probably finish at 5... I forget the year, probably 2006 or so) Michigan fans used to be on board with us Buckeye fans in arguing the Big East was weak... now? Not so much...
Anyway, I took that paragraph off topic.. I do not believe RR is establishing himself as a "Big school" coach. He's at Michigan, for shit's sake... At Michigan you take who YOU WANT, you don't offer every fucking guy on the planet. At Michigan, you recruit a certain kind of guy and certain kind of guys like you just because.... RR doesn't seem to understand that. Michigan used to understand tradition (almost to a fault) RR has no regard for it. And, I just don't see that changing, even if he wins. I would predict 8-4 type season for him as a typical season. He's capable of going 10-2 too, but I wouldn't expect it year in and year out as I have come to with Tressel (based on a track record to support it). He may also be one of those coaches (like JoPa and Ferentz) who goes on a 4 year cycle of ups and downs.. I guess we'll see.
I share pretty much the same idea re: Michigan's defense as what Jwins outlined. If I were a Michigan fan, and because of the kind of person I am (I prefer defense to offense), I would be very very concerned right now. It seriously looks as if RR has no regard of any kind for defense. He'll get a player from time to time, like Pacman down at WVU, and I think Vlad will be a good one as well... but, one player cannot baton down the hatches enough when the rest of the D is undersized and not properly manned depth wise.
Likewise, I am truly not as optomistic about Michigan's future offense as most. I don't know why this is so hard for folks to appreciate, but it took not one.. but two of the best RBs in college football (White and Slaton) to get WVU's attack in "unstoppable" mode... actually, if you count Darius Reynaud, it took 3 great RBs.. Even then, it actually was stoppable. Any Big East Team which bothered to pay attention to Defense (ie South Florida) had success against RRs attack. In short, like any other "gimmick" attack, as soon as you take away the gimmick, or if it just isnt' working, say it's "one of those days" where you're fumbling all the time... there's nothing else. Pair that with a suspect D and the losses pile up.
I think that RR is a great coach... for a second tier team. I do not think he has what it takes to make Michigan "great" by the standards Michigan fans should have. Given time, RR might win a couple big ten championships, I don't know. But, I would be surprised if he did so with any consistency. As someone else mentioned, it wasn't until Va Tech and Miami left that WVU began to dominate the Big East.... likewise, it was their soft schedule which had guys like Phil Steele ranking them top 5 (I'm not just saying that, Phil used WVU's weak schedule as an indication that they'd probably finish at 5... I forget the year, probably 2006 or so) Michigan fans used to be on board with us Buckeye fans in arguing the Big East was weak... now? Not so much...
Anyway, I took that paragraph off topic.. I do not believe RR is establishing himself as a "Big school" coach. He's at Michigan, for shit's sake... At Michigan you take who YOU WANT, you don't offer every fucking guy on the planet. At Michigan, you recruit a certain kind of guy and certain kind of guys like you just because.... RR doesn't seem to understand that. Michigan used to understand tradition (almost to a fault) RR has no regard for it. And, I just don't see that changing, even if he wins. I would predict 8-4 type season for him as a typical season. He's capable of going 10-2 too, but I wouldn't expect it year in and year out as I have come to with Tressel (based on a track record to support it). He may also be one of those coaches (like JoPa and Ferentz) who goes on a 4 year cycle of ups and downs.. I guess we'll see.
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zwem;1489255; said:
Not unless tOSU is #1 in November. That game cost tOSU back-to-back National titles, which would have been a foregone conclusion since tOSU would not have gone to a bowl that year even if they'd won.
You're looking at that game after the fact of The Ten Year War. But it was Bo's first time in The Game, and the previous year was 50-14, despite TSUN being ranked AP #4 going into the 1968 game.
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