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2009 Rivals/Scout/etc. National & Regional Rankings

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crazybuckfan40;1194692; said:
If scout had a clue on Fields he would be top 100 as well...
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I disagree with you there. I think he's a 4* and top 300 player but I wouldn't put him in the top 100. Whiting probably should though. Scout originally had him as the #3 MLB in the country but he's dropped like a rock since then for no apparent reason other than not attending their combines. Scout is really down on a lot of our prospects compared to Rivals.
 
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OregonBuckeye;1194725; said:
I disagree with you there. I think he's a 4* and top 300 player but I wouldn't put him in the top 100. Whiting probably should though. Scout originally had him as the #3 MLB in the country but he's dropped like a rock since then for no apparent reason other than not attending their combines. Scout is really down on a lot of our prospects compared to Rivals.
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Well they have him so low, and he is ranked at a combined 123 so I would think if they had him somewhere in the top 200 it would up his rating...closer to 100...
 
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crazybuckfan40;1194936; said:
Well they have him so low, and he is ranked at a combined 123 so I would think if they had him somewhere in the top 200 it would up his rating...closer to 100...
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Remember that on the combined list anyone not in a top 100 list gets an arbitrary 150 as a place holder so don't put too much faith in the numbers beyond 100.

I'll have up a top 250 list up today using the number from the three services that currently have rankings =>250 (Rivals, Scout & Emfinger).

FWIW using the "total points" model (100pts for #1, 99 for #2, 0 for >100) Chris drops to 175. He only picks up top 100 points on two lists (Rivals & Emfinger).
 
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Muck;1194952; said:
I'll have up a top 250 list up today using the number from the three services that currently have rankings =>250 (Rivals, Scout & Emfinger).
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Speaking of which:

1 Matt Barkley QB 6'3” 226 USC
2 Russell Shepard QB 6'1” 179 LSU
3 Manti Te'o LB 6'2” 230
4 Devon Kennard DE 6'3” 257
5 Jamarkus McFarland DT 6'3” 280
6 Jaccobi McDaniel DT 6'0” 267 FSU
7 Reuben Randle WR 6'3” 195
8 Bryce Brown RB 6'0” 215 Miami
9 Cierre Wood RB 6'0” 192 Notre Dame
10 Dorian Bell LB 6'0” 226 Ohio State
11 Jelani Jenkins LB 6'1” 212
12 Chris Davenport DT 6'4” 318
13 Vontaze Burfict LB 6'2” 244 USC
14 Marlon Brown WR 6'5” 205
15 Garrett Gilbert QB 6'3” 186 Texas
16 William Campbell DT 6'5” 317 TSUN
17 Craig Loston S 6'2” 193 Clemson
18 Xavier Nixon OL 6'6” 263
19 Darius Winston CB 6'0” 180
20 Dre Kirkpatrick CB 6'2” 180
21 Nico Johnson LB 6'3” 226
22 Donte Moss DE 6'4” 235 North Carolina
23 Jaamal Berry RB 5'10” 185
24 Gabe Lynn CB 6'0” 185
25 Mason Walters OL 6'6” 290 Texas
26 Aaron Murray QB 6'0” 198 Georgia
27 Shaquelle Evans WR 6'0” 203
28 Marcus Hall OL 6'5” 290
29 Jarvis Jones LB 6'3” 205
30 Malliciah Goodman DE 6'4” 255 Clemson
31 Randall Carroll WR 5'10” 175 USC
32 Eric Shrive OL 6'7” 285 Penn State
33 Michael Philipp OT 6'3” 320
34 Melvin Fellows DE 6'5” 245 Ohio State
35 Andre Debose WR 6'0” 170
36 Je'Ron Stokes WR 6'1” 178 Tennessee
37 Morgan Moses OT 6'7” 347
38 Sam Montgomery DE 6'4” 230
39 Corey Adams DT 6'3” 277
40 David Oku RB 5'10” 186
41 Nick Alajajian OL 6'4” 280 Florida
42 Tana Patrick LB 6'3” 215
43 Devonte Holloman S 6'2” 214 Clemson
44 Lamar Miller RB 5'11” 205
45 Chris Watt OL 6'3” 280
46 Johnny Simon DL 6'3” 274 Ohio State
47 Kendall Kelly WR 6'4” 210
48 Rolando Jefferson WR 6'2” 190
49 Kevin Brent S 5'11” 196
50 Alex Okafor DE 6'4” 232 Texas
51 Chris Whaley RB 6'3” 220 Texas
52 Dexter Pratt RB 6'2” 227 LSU
53 John Martinez OG 6'4” 265
54 Patrick Hall Ath 6'1” 181 USC
55 Trent Richardson RB 5'11” 210 Alabama
56 Kevin Graf OT 6'6” 301 USC
57 Kevin Newsome QB 6'3” 217 TSUN (Soft)
58 Christine Michael RB 5'11” 195
59 Craig Drummond DE 6'5” 260
60 Logan Thomas Ath 6'6” 233
61 Willie Downs WR 6'2” 192 FSU
62 Edwin Baker RB 5'10” 204 MSU
63 Ronnie Wingo Jr. Ath 6'3” 212
64 Branden Smith CB 5'11” 171
65 Nick Kasa DE 6'7” 245
66 Kraig Appleton WR 6'3” 190
67 Anthony LaLota Ath 6'6” 260
68 Washaun Ealey RB 5'11” 205 Georgia
69 Tom Savage QB 6'4” 217 Rutgers
70 Gary Brown DT 6'3” 275 Florida
71 C.J. Barnett CB 6'1” 181 Ohio State
72 Ray Ray Armstrong Ath 6'4” 218
73 Logan Heastie WR 6'2” 225 WVU
74 Orson Charles TE 6'2” 216
75 Cliff Harris CB 6'0” 165
76 Morrell Presley TE 6'4” 215 USC
77 Brandon McGee CB 5'11” 186
78 Chris Bonds DT 6'4” 262
79 Jamie Wood DB 6'2” 190 Ohio State
80 Damario Jeffery Ath 6'3” 215
81 Ronnell Lewis LB 6'3” 220 Oklahoma
82 Xavier Su'a Filo OT 6'4” 285
83 Jheranie Boyd WR 6'2” 184
84 Ryne Giddins DE 6'4” 235
85 D.J. Fluker DT 6'7” 325 Alabama
86 Janzen Jackson CB 6'0” 174 LSU
87 Eugene Smith QB 6'3” 182
88 Eddie Lacy RB 5'11” 200
89 Chris Norman LB 6'2” 207 MSU
90 Marcus Davis CB 6'0” 193 Texas
91 Thomas Ashcraft OL 6'5” 275 Texas
92 Donovan Tate Ath 6'2” 195
93 T.J. McDonald S 6'2” 182 USC
94 Chris Burnette OL 6'2” 300 Georgia
95 Frankie Telfort LB 5'11” 205
96 A.J. McCarron QB 6'3.5” 180 Alabama
97 Cody Green QB 6'4” 220
98 Marquis Simmons LB 6'0.5” 220 USC
99 Darrell Givens CB 6'0' 170 Penn State
100 Tom Wort LB 6'1” 210 Oklahoma
101 Bryce McNeal WR 6'2” 170 TSUN
102 Abry Jones DT 6'3” 250 Georgia
103 Patrick Patterson WR 6'3” 215
104 Eric Fields LB 6'1” 200 Clemson
105 Jon Bostic LB 6'1” 218
106 Justin Chaisson DE 6'5” 265 Oklahoma
107 Brandon Wegher LB/RB 5'11” 187
108 Corey Brown Ath 6'0” 180 Ohio State
109 Jordan Whiting LB 6'0” 230 Ohio State
110 Garrett Porter OL 6'6” 308 Texas
111 Jawanza Starling S 6'2” 190
112 Kendrick Hardy RB 6'0” 210
113 Mike Brockers DE 6'6” 255 LSU
114 Tyrik Rollison QB 6'2' 186
115 Deandre Coleman DT 6'4” 295
116 Fletcher Cox DE 6'4” 240 Mississippi State
117 Zach Mettenberger QB 6'4” 229 Georgia
118 Michael Ford RB 5'10” 200 LSU
119 Chris Fields WR 6'0” 181 Ohio State
120 Shayne Skov LB 6'2” 225 Stanford
121 Justin “J.T.” Turner DB 6'2” 186 TSUN
122 Tate Forcier QB 6'1” 190
123 Chad Bumphis WR 5'10” 180
124 Calvin Howell DT 6'4” 280 Texas
125 Barkevious Mingo LB 6'5” 210
126 Tajh Boyd QB 6'0” 208 WVU
127 Antwan Lowery DT 6'3” 300
128 Olivier Vernon DE 6'2” 237 Miami
129 Pete White OG 6'4” 340
130 Austin Long OT 6'5” 268 Georgia
131 Nathan Scheelhaase QB 6'2” 190
132 Sheldon Richardson OL 6'4” 281 Missouri
133 Justin Dixon LB 6'0” 228 North Carolina
134 Chris Thompson RB 5'7” 178 FSU
135 Lonnie Pryor RB 6'0” 195
136 Kevin Minter LB 6'1” 240 LSU
137 Darren Myles DB 6'0” 175
138 Allen/Allan Bridgford QB 6'4.5” 215 Cal
139 David Barrent OL 6'8” 290 Iowa
140 Richard Brehaut QB 6'2” 220 UCLA
141 Tyler Stockton DT 6'1” 290 Notre Dame
142 Craig Roh DE 6'5” 230
143 Demonte McAllister DE 6'3” 245
144 Josh Nunes QB 6'4” 205 Tennessee
145 Alshon Jeffrey WR 6'4” 200 USC
146 Greg Timmons WR 6'3” 185 Texas
147 Morgan Newton QB 6'4” 205
148 Drew Allen QB 6'5” 198
149 Levine Toilolo TE 6'8” 239 Stanford
150 Chris Freeman OT 6'7” 325
151 Tavon Austin RB 5'9” 156
152 David Wilson Ath 5'9” 192
153 Brennan Williams OL 6'6” 260
154 Josh Boyd DT 6'3” 275
155 Keenan Graham DE 6'3” 220
156 Travis Hawkins CB 5'10” 181
157 Justin Green DB 5'10” 180 Ohio State
158 Keenan Davis WR 6'3” 195
159 Gerald Hodges LB 6'3” 211 Rutgers
160 Stephen Barrera DT 6'5” 260 Texas
161 Anthony Steen OC 6'4” 297
162 Knile Davis RB 6'1” 210
163 C.J. Mizell LB 6'2” 212 FSU
164 Tevin McCaskill S 6'2” 179
165 Michael Carter CB 5'11” 165
166 Justin Brown WR 6'3.5” 210
167 Jerod Askew LB 6'1” 230
168 Rodney Smith WR 6'4” 201
169 Dan Mason LB 6'0” 220
170 Jarvis Giles RB 6'0” 180 Tennessee
171 Desmond Scott RB 5'9” 185 Rutgers
172 Chris Williams LB 6'0” 230
173 Todd Golper LB 6'1” 225 UCLA
174 Greg Reid CB 5'8” 168 Florida
175 J.K. Jay OT 6'7” 275 Clemson
176 Jeremy Smith RB 5'10” 206 Oklahoma State
177 Colby Berna OG 6'3” 275 Arkansas
178 Stavion Lowe OL 6'5” 294
179 Jordan Kohout DT 6'4” 265 Wisconsin
180 Nu'kese Richardson WR 5'9” 165 Florida
181 Jemari Roberts WR 6'3” 200
182 Chris Faulk OL 6'6” 280 LSU
183 Marlon Pollard DB 6'1” 160 UCLA
184 Chris Garrett QB 6'4” 220 LSU
185 Charles Siddoway OT 6'7” 310
186 Tariq Allen LB 6'2” 231 Texas
187 David Gordon CB 6'0” 170
188 Terry Shankle CB 5'11” 170
189 Stan Hasiak OT 6'6” 340
190 Hunter Furr RB 6'1” 208 North Carolina
191 A.J. Dugat S 6'1” 205 TCU
192 Daytawion Lowe S 6'1” 180
193 Petey Smith LB 6'0.5” 248
194 Steven Terrell CB 5'11” 180
195 Ryan Mossakowski QB 6'4” 201
196 Dillon Quinn DT 6'6” 271 Boston College
197 Jacob Karam QB 6'2” 201 Texas Tech
198 Montez Robinson DE 6'4” 230
199 Drayton Calhoun CB 6'0” 175 LSU
200 Byron Moore Ath 6'1” 200 UCLA
201 Jajuan Harley S 6'0” 193 Florida
202 David Wang DT 6'2” 300 VT
203 Shauntez Bruce OT 6'5” 300
204 Jack Mewhort OT 6'6” 293 Ohio State
205 Blaine Dalton QB 6'1.5” 190 Missouri
206 Terdema Ussery WR 6'4.5” 192
207 Craig Bills S 6'2” 210 BYU
208 Kawehi Sablan S 5'11” 195
209 Theo Riddick RB 5'10” 185 Notre Dame
210 De'Antwan Williams RB 5'6” 185
211 Eric Smiley DT 6'4” 285
212 Rhontae Scales OT 6'5” 285 Texas
213 Michael Bowman WR 6'4” 206
214 Joshua Adams WR 6'4” 200 North Carolina
215 L.T. Filiaga LB 6'1” 235
216 Jamal Patterson WR 6'2” 203
217 Hunter Poole OG 6'5” 320
218 Kenny Vaccaro CB 6'1” 190 Texas
219 Josh Adadenoye OT 6'5.5” 347 Oklahoma
220 Aaron Hayward RB 6'0.5” 194 Rutgers
221 Brandon Webb OL 6'4” 320 Oklahoma State
222 Terrance Lloyd DE 6'3” 215
223 Andre Lawrence LB 6'1” 210
224 Rod Woodson S 5'11” 205
225 Mana Rosa DE 6'2” 260
226 Terry Hawthorne WR 6'0” 168
227 Dion Sims TE 6'5” 235
228 Jermarceono Lamb LB 6'3” 212
229 Arthur Fontaine TE 6'5” 235
230 Montrell Conner RB 6'2” 210
231 Jayron Hosley DB 5'11” 175
232 Dyron Dye DE 6'5” 225
233 Steve Williams CB 5'9” 165 Oklahoma
234 Storm Klein LB 6'3” 220 Ohio State
235 Dominique Wallace RB 6'1” 231 Virginia
236 Veni Manu DE 6'4” 225
237 Moses Alipate QB 6'6” 210 Minnesota
238 Eric Gordon DB 5'10” 187
239 De'Von Flournoy WR 6'2” 180 USC
240 Latu Heimuli DT 6'4” 305
241 Larvez Mars LB 5'11” 205
242 Jordan Luallen QB 6'3” 192 Georgia Tech
243 Lendell Buckner DT 6'3” 325 Illinois
244 Kenny Bell WR 6'1” 160
245 Kevin Aipia S 6'0” 207
246 Lamin Barrow LB 6'2” 209
247 Chase Vasser LB 6'3” 200 Georgia
248 Anthony Urbania TB 6'0” 210
249 Chad Lopati LB 6'1” 243
250 Darrington Sentimore DT 6'2” 265

(Yes I purposely didn't highlight guys like Debose, Brown, Boyd etc. I just don't see it happening in this class given their positions and the openings left)
 
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Rivals.com Football Recruiting - Category rankings: Cornerbacks

6/30

CB category rankings...fastest, best ball skills, best coverage skills, most physical and best athlete...of note:

FASTEST:

#4 Justin Green
#3 DJ Hunter
Others: Dominic Clarke

BEST BALL SKILLS:

#2 Dre Kirkpatrick
Others: Travis Hawkins

BEST COVERAGE SKILLS

#2 Dre Kirkpatrick
Others: CJ Barnett

MOST PHYSICAL (the fact Barnett is not on this list is laughable)

#5 DJ Hunter

BEST ATHLETE

#4 Brandon McGee
#2 Justin Green
Others: Dre Kirkpatrick
 
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OregonBuckeye;1194725; said:
I disagree with you there. I think he's a 4* and top 300 player but I wouldn't put him in the top 100. Whiting probably should though. Scout originally had him as the #3 MLB in the country but he's dropped like a rock since then for no apparent reason other than not attending their combines. Scout is really down on a lot of our prospects compared to Rivals.
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Personally I can't wait for these kids' seasons to start so they can get their due. These services put way too much stock in their crappy combines early on to determine these kids' ability. They may be their only evaluation tool for now, but you can't accurately judge every kid's ability with them. Take John Simon for instance. They obviously felt good enough about him to put him in their early top 10's and 20's before expanding their rankings. Since then, he has plummeted because he hasn't been going to combines. Then Dorian Bell has actually gone to a couple combines, yet their steady dropping him on rivals, despite having great film. Once these kids starting playing again they won't be able to deny their potential and give our commits their credit.
 
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OK last update for awhile (unless more data becomes available).

I've decided to just stick with the "total points" model. A player ranked #1 gets 100 pts, #2 - 99 and so on down the list. Those not ranked by a service get 0 pts rather than an arbitrary ranking of 150 (which I was using in the "average ranking" model). This method just feels a bit less arbitrary to me.


1 Matt Barkley QB 6'3” 226 USC
2 Devon Kennard DE 6'3” 257
3 Manti Te'o LB 6'2” 230
4 Russell Shepard QB 6'1” 179 LSU
5 Jamarkus McFarland DT 6'3” 280
6 Reuben Randle WR 6'3” 195
7 Bryce Brown RB 6'0” 215 Miami
8 Jaccobi McDaniel DT 6'0” 267 FSU
9 Garrett Gilbert QB 6'3” 186 Texas
10 Craig Loston S 6'2” 193 Clemson
11 Chris Davenport DT 6'4” 318
12 Cierre Wood RB 6'0” 192 Notre Dame
13 Dorian Bell LB 6'0” 226 Ohio State
14 William Campbell DT 6'5” 317 TSUN
15 Marlon Brown WR 6'5” 205
16 Dre Kirkpatrick CB 6'2” 180
17 Vontaze Burfict LB 6'2” 244 USC
18 Xavier Nixon OL 6'6” 263
19 Jelani Jenkins LB 6'1” 212
20 Darius Winston CB 6'0” 180
21 Mason Walters OL 6'6” 290 Texas
22 Nico Johnson LB 6'3” 226
23 Donte Moss DE 6'4” 235 North Carolina
24 Aaron Murray QB 6'0” 198 Georgia
25 Jaamal Berry RB 5'10” 185
26 Lamar Miller RB 5'11” 205
27 Randall Carroll WR 5'10” 175 USC
28 Logan Heastie WR 6'2” 225 WVU
29 D.J. Fluker DT 6'7” 325 Alabama
30 Chris Whaley RB 6'3” 220 Texas
31 Gabe Lynn CB 6'0” 185
32 Melvin Fellows DE 6'5” 245 Ohio State
33 Patrick Hall Ath 6'1” 181 USC
34 Andre Debose WR 6'0” 170
35 Tana Patrick LB 6'3” 215
36 Alex Okafor DE 6'4” 232 Texas
37 Johnny Simon DL 6'3” 274 Ohio State
38 Devonte Holloman S 6'2” 214 Clemson
39 Logan Thomas Ath 6'6” 233
40 Morgan Moses OL 6'7” 347
41 Eric Shrive OL 6'7” 285 Penn State
42 Jarvis Jones LB 6'3” 205
43 Trent Richardson RB 5'11” 210 Alabama
44 Sam Montgomery DE 6'4” 230
45 Shaquelle Evans WR 6'0” 203
46 Craig Drummond DE 6'5” 260
47 Dexter Pratt RB 6'2” 227 LSU
48 Corey Adams DT 6'3” 277
49 Tom Savage QB 6'4” 217 Rutgers
50 Willie Downs WR 6'2” 192 FSU
51 Kevin Newsome QB 6'3” 217 TSUN (Soft)
52 Marcus Hall OL 6'5” 290
53 Kevin Brent S 5'11” 196
54 Kevin Graf OT 6'6” 301 USC
55 Malliciah Goodman DE 6'4” 255 Clemson
56 Jheranie Boyd WR 6'2” 184
57 Je'Ron Stokes WR 6'1” 178 Tennessee
58 Michael Philipp OT 6'3” 320
59 Cliff Harris CB 6'0” 165
60 David Oku RB 5'10” 186
61 John Martinez OG 6'4” 265
62 Jamie Wood DB 6'2” 190 Ohio State
63 Nick Alajajian OL 6'4” 280 Florida
64 Ray Ray Armstrong Ath 6'4” 218
65 Kendall Kelly WR 6'4” 210
66 Branden Smith CB 5'11” 171
67 Abry Jones DT 6'3” 250 Georgia
68 Eddie Lacy RB 6'3” 250
69 Fletcher Cox DE 6'4” 240 Mississippi St.
70 Justin Chaisson DE 6'5” 265 Oklahoma
71 Damario Jeffery Ath 6'3” 215
72 Chris Watt OL 6'3” 280
73 Michael Ford RB 5'10” 200 LSU
74 Patrick Patterson WR 6'3” 215
75 Morgan Newton QB 6'4” 205
76 Nick Kasa DE 6'7” 245
77 Brandon McGee CB 5'11” 186
78 Rolando Jefferson WR 6'2” 190
79 Ronnie Wingo Jr. Ath 6'3” 212
80 Cody Green QB 6'4” 220
81 Chris Bonds DT 6'4” 262
82 Ryne Giddins DE 6'4” 235
83 De'Von Flournoy WR 6'2” 180 USC
84 C.J. Mizell LB 6'2” 212 FSU
85 Rodney Smith WR 6'4” 201
86 Edwin Baker RB 5'10” 204 MSU
87 Josh Boyd DT 6'3” 275
88 T.J. McDonald S 6'2” 182 USC
89 Sheldon Richardson OL 6'4” 281 Missouri
90 Donovan Tate Ath 6'2” 195
91 Jawanza Starling S 6'2” 190
92 Montez Robinson DE 6'4” 230
93 Joshua Adams WR 6'4” 200 North Carolina
94 Morrell Presley TE 6'4” 215 USC
95 Tom Wort LB 6'1” 210 Oklahoma
96 Stephon Gilmore DB 6'1” 180
97 Xavier Su'a Filo OT 6'4” 285
98 Brandon Wegher Ath 5'11” 187
99 Christine Michael RB 5'11” 195
100 Gary Brown DT 6'3” 275 Florida


Vs the "average ranking" list:
12 Dorian Bell (-1)
35 Melvin Fellows (+3)
39 Johnny Simon (+2)
84 Jamie Wood (+22)
94 C.J. Barnett (-17)
 
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BuckeyeGrove.com - First look: 2009 team recruiting rankings

Rivals' first crack at the 2009 team rankings:

1. Ohio State

2009 total commits: 23
Headliner: Dorian Bell
The Buckeyes have assembled the nation's best class with one five-star commitment and 16 four-star pledges. They also have a whopping 23 commitments, the most in the nation. But the class isn't just about quantity. It's about quality. Five-star linebacker Dorian Bell is a major catch, as are Jamie Wood, Justin Green and C.J. Barnett.
2008 class rank: 4
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#1 ain't bad :wink:

FYI scUM is at #4 and MSU is at #10
 
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Rivals.com Football Recruiting - Category rankings: Safeties

7/7

Safeties...ranked by Fastest, Best Ball Skills, Best Coverage Skills and Most Physical...of note:

FASTEST

Others: Justin Turner
Others: Jamie Wood

BEST BALL SKILLS

#4 Brad McDougald
Others: Isaiah Bell
Others: Jamie Wood

BEST COVERAGE SKILLS

#5 Jamie Wood
Others: Vlad Emilien
Others: Justin Turner

MOST PHYSICAL

None

Further proof that these rankings are a joke...if there is one category Wood should show up in it is MOST PHYSICAL...
 
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Agreed

It was my understanding that the same can be said about Vlad and him being very physical but maybe limited in coverage, but they have Vlad as having some of the best coverage skills...definitely a quantity over quality series IMO
 
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