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2009-2010 Ohio State Hockey Season

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ORD_Buckeye said:
Not sure which post you're responding to, so I don't know whether "those schools" refers to other Big Ten schools or to Fredo(OH) and Bowling Green. If it's the latter, fuck 'em. Let them whither into irrelevance. If it's the former, there's no one outside of the Big Ten Network offices that wants a B10 hockey conference more than me. I just think that we should get our own house in order before pressuring schools with a lot more hockey tradition and success than us as to what they should and shouldn't favor.

All that being said, I'll buy the gas for you and Markell. I love everything about his program except the on-ice results. Off the ice, he has great grad rates and apr and you NEVER hear anything about one of his kids getting into trouble. In that sense, he runs a program we can be proud of. The on-ice disappointments, however, have become too much. Knowing Markell though, I'm sure that he'll pull a CCHA tourney run out of his ass and get another year.:(
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a big ten conference hockey league.

i was told a few years ago that penn state was one of the 'key" teams. since their are so many non varsity the sledding is tough. granted some i know are pushing the field of dreams approach, build it and they will come. as you have mentioned that is awful tough to sell to the likes of uw, minn, etc out of their conference and getting teams to ice a varsity squad. playing hockey isnt cheap. factor in the effects of title 9 and the reality is that a mens team (who will lose money, most likely) means a womens team (who will lose millions, osu had what $1625 revenue for a multimillion dollar womens program a few years ago...)
 
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You're right about the need for teams to also organize D1 women's programs--both from a title ix perspective and from the fact that the WCHA would undoubtedly kick our programs out if the Minny and Wiscy men's team abandoned the conference for a B10HC.

From what I've read, UM and Sparty are looking to form women's programs in any event, which would leave the 3 new Big Ten programs to do so likewise. The 3 that I've always heard mentioned are PSU, Purdue and Illinois who have the strongest club programs. Unfortunately, Purdue's AD killed a plan to build a D1 worthy ice arena, putting a blow to any movement of Purdue to D1 hockey.

My guess is that the funding for the women's program would have to be generated by the overall hockey package at the BTN. The BTN has been pretty successful in their business plan so far, so maybe their numbers make it all worthwhile--and profitable--in the larger scheme of things. They're really pushing for it. All the schools, with the exception of Minny, are either in favor or open minded, and Minny is opposed not from financial considerations but from state political considerations.

I'd love to see Friday and Saturday night double headers of Big Ten hockey ever week in HD on national cable.

FWIW, I checked the Indy Star's NCAA financial database. Unfortunately, they don't break down p&l for any sports other than football and m's and w's b-ball. I would very much like to see the numbers for the 3 B10 schools with both m's and w's programs.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
You're right about the need for teams to also organize D1 women's programs--both from a title ix perspective and from the fact that the WCHA would undoubtedly kick our programs out if the Minny and Wiscy men's team abandoned the conference for a B10HC.

From what I've read, UM and Sparty are looking to form women's programs in any event, which would leave the 3 new Big Ten programs to do so likewise. The 3 that I've always heard mentioned are PSU, Purdue and Illinois who have the strongest club programs. Unfortunately, Purdue's AD killed a plan to build a D1 worthy ice arena, putting a blow to any movement of Purdue to D1 hockey.

My guess is that the funding for the women's program would have to be generated by the overall hockey package at the BTN. The BTN has been pretty successful in their business plan so far, so maybe their numbers make it all worthwhile--and profitable--in the larger scheme of things. They're really pushing for it. All the schools, with the exception of Minny, are either in favor or open minded, and Minny is opposed not from financial considerations but from state political considerations.

I'd love to see Friday and Saturday night double headers of Big Ten hockey ever week in HD on national cable.

FWIW, I checked the Indy Star's NCAA financial database. Unfortunately, they don't break down p&l for any sports other than football and m's and w's b-ball. I would very much like to see the numbers for the 3 B10 schools with both m's and w's programs.
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expansion is also necessary for the men. not enough teams. at this point.

ccha
osu
um
msu


wcha
minnesota
(osu women)
wisc



thats it.

granted if you talk expansion and you enter the likes of a notre dame, syracuse, you have further expansion. the reality is the likes of penn state, (or other schools) are necessary for any sort of real reality to set in. then again any conferences with uw, minn, um has instant credibility. thus the field of dream situation...
 
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Fredo(OH) it is. Lunatic fringe over there already has their panties in a bunch because one analyst dared to suggest that Ohio State might be able to steal one game in OT.

God Damn, I would love for Markell to pull one out of his ass this weekend, then retire so Gene Smith could send a dump truck of money to the Fredo coach's doorstep in the offseason.
 
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On paper, we have zero chance of winning this series and the slimmest of chances of even pulling out one game. What we do have going for us is Markell's mysterious ability to pull wins out of his ass when his job is on the line.

It wouldn't be surprising if Fredo(OH) killed us in two straight, but you never know. If we take the series, they still get no lower than a 4 seed in the NCAA tourney, and we just head to Detroit for an ass beating.

No, I can't root for the Miamites...not even when it serves a larger purpose.
 
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BigWoof31;1672774; said:
If Miami wins - would Ohio State still have an at large bid to the NCAA's?
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We're not playing Miami. Miami doesn't have a D1 hockey program. We're playing Fredo University...aka Fredo of Ohio...aka Fredo(OH).

As Oxford of Ohio's village idiot would say.......

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As for Ohio State's tourney chances, they don't have a shot in hell at an at-large bid. Only way they get in is if they go to Detroit and win the CCHA tournament. It's not undoable, as Fredo seems to be the only real strong team in a down year for the CCHA, but Markell has a knack for doing just enough to keep his job but no more (see: last year's NCAA tourney bid).
 
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Class'13;1672781; said:
I never understood the Fredo thing. Can you explain it?
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Why certainly.:biggrin:

In 1862, the Morrill Act was passed, which created America's great network of flagship public universities. In the Great Lakes region, every state designated an existing university as their land grant university. Some (like Indiana and Michigan) split the flagship status between two campuses, one the land grant and the other. Some (like Pennsylvania, Minnesota, Illinois and Wisconsin) combined the functions into one university.

Ohio did neither. Despite fierce lobbying on the part of the state's two existing public universities for the role, and even offering to split the designation between them, Ohio's Governor, legislature and business community felt that neither was worthy. They were viewed as mediocre, borderline religious colleges that, in their sixty years of existence, had failed to give Ohio a worthy public university similar to those in Wisconsin or Michigan. The decision was made to pass them over and found a new university to fulfill this role: Theeee Ohio State University. The flagship role was written into law in 1906 with the Eagleson Bill and recognized on a national level in 1916 with Ohio State's election into the Association of American Universities. Much like Fredo Corleone, the weak older brothers were passed over for the leadership role. They simmered in bitterness.

In the 1960s, Ohio elected a governor who had flunked out of Ohio State and had very peculiar, populist theories about higher education. He didn't believe in the notion of a flagship campus or qualitative differneces between the public universities. He named a former Fredo of Ohio president to be the first chairman of the board of regents. This Fredoite promptly set about cutting off Ohio State at the knees for a generation: eliminated our special "flagship" appropriations bill and forced open admission on us. All the while, he let Fredo of Ohio backdoor their way into selective admissions by not building enough dorm space for the baby boom generation which was just then beginning to flood college campuses. This was the equivalent of Fredo teaming up with Hyman Roth to take down Micheal....all very Fredoesque and weaselly.

In the end it failed. Ohio State's flagship status has never been stronger, the current Board of Regents Chair has revamped the funding method to fund us differntly than the other public universities, we've become far more selective than Fredo and have left them in the dust in the USN&WR rankings. One might say we sent them to the bottom of Lake Tahoe.:oh:
 
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Wow is all I can say. I've seen some disappointing moments since the men's hockey program collapsed in 2005, but I don't think I've ever seen anything like this. Buckeyes went up 2-1 in the first period, then came out and absolutely folded. Gave up 4 unanswered goals in the second, plus a [censored] you--put you in your place goal in the third to get blown out 6-2.

In the third, they simply quit and only had 5 shots on goal. You're on the road in a three game series against a better team, knowing that to have any chance in hell you need to take game one, yet despite a lead at the end of one, you collapse. I don't blame the players.

This comes from the top down. For an athletic program that seems to demand excellence in everything from synchronized swimming to fencing to gymnastics, how much longer this is allowed to go on is going to be really, really interesting. I think I know what Andy Geiger would have done. Gene Smith?

The only thing I can compare this to is Cooper and Michigan.
 
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Damn, they tried to give it away in the third last night. Up 3-2, they get an insurance goal, then let Fredo(OH) have a shorthanded goal with 8 to go, then tie it up within two minutes.

Pulled OT out of their ass and won 5-4.

Rubber match is tonight at the shoebox, complete with all their stolen Michigan and Wisconsin cheers and songs.
 
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