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osubartender23
Purple Nurple King
MililaniBuckeye;1246431; said:
See thats the problem. I think their defense is literally shit so that would have to factor into the equation here!
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HailToMichigan;1246440; said:
Utah tried to gift wrap the second half for you, with 3 turnovers. Don't even try to credit your defense with some miraculous second half turnaround.
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HailToMichigan
Maize and Blue Wahoo
Yes, the defense would have nothing to do with causing turnovers, especially interceptions.MililaniBuckeye;1246493; said:
Utah gained 48 yards in the second half. That's without including the penalties (except the two intentional groundings) and without including the -20 yard final "drive" that was more concerned with winding down the clock.
Your absolute refusal to see the difference between the halves is pretty stunning. Either that or you just weren't watching.
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How would you feel if Lloyd was still here and your team had a second half like that one? Hats off to the opponent? Or frustrated with conservative play? It seemed to be a little of both to me.HailToMichigan;1246522; said:
The front 7 definitely got better pressure on the WAC OL, and flushed Johnson, which left less opportunities for their WRs to dance past contain on Brown, Chambers, Evans, etc. That continues to be the killer for UM against the spread, even as wonderfully conditioned as UM is now. Very similar to last year vs Appy State, watching average catches turn into big gains or first downs thanks to defensive breakdowns, even when a player was pinned to the sideline.
Discipline and fundamentals are still lacking from UM's defense. That is what has truly held UM back in many recent losses, far more than any conditioning flaws by GITTLESON!!!1!!1!
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Right. Like QBs never miss their WRs or all fumbles are forced by the defence (just like YSU "forced" Beanie's fumble).HailToMichigan;1246522; said:
And your blind homerism is equally stunning. Gee, Mr Wizard, tell us what was the cause of this magical haltime transformation...seriously.HailToMichigan;1246522; said:
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HailToMichigan
Maize and Blue Wahoo
I'm not really sure what you're asking about Lloyd. Old Michigan would probably have won that game just because they'd have been able to move the ball on offense, but Old Michigan also did not win last year's home opener either despite being able to move the ball on offense. I do think the second-half surge is due at least in part to conditioning, which obviously is a step up from last year. I didn't see a lack of discipline. The defense was only penalized once, which is pretty good, and the offending party got replaced on the depth chart by halftime (though not only because of the penalty, a PI call.)jwinslow;1246585; said:
You're honestly trying to tell me that a defense that gave up 48 yards (on the stat sheet, 28) and 3 points in a half played badly. No, blind homerism would be making excuses for the offense. A little blind haterism seems to be in order here, though. I don't know what the cause of the halftime change was. Couldn't be that the coaching staff made any adjustments - RR's too stubborn for that. Couldn't be the conditioning. Barwis wasn't that good of an MMA fighter, after all. Why don't you tell me why it is you think they played poorly in the second half, and what they did wrong that makes you think so?
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You can't count one half and not the other, either way.
Look at the whole game and you will see a defense that can generate a very good pass rush and has a LB that is all over the field. You will also see that same defense is shaky in coverage and is very vulnerable if the pass rush is negated by a mobile QB who can throw.
That's been the story for defenses in AA for the past 5 years. I don't follow how scUM fans think that was supposed to magically change this year just because of the coaching change and Barwis.
They blamed the DC before before English (herman?) for being too conservative and getting carved up by mobile QB's like Vince Young. Then Ron English was the savior and his brash, in your face, aggressive style of defense was going to tilt the balance back to scUM. Several years of that myth getting soundly put to rest later and the new DC, Barwis and people repeating it on the internet were the reasons this years D was going to be dominant.
To be fair I think the D is constructed to give Wisconsin and MSU fits because they can't move the QB around and their two QB's aren't very accurate. I think scUM can obviously do better against the teams that will just line up and run right at them than they will do against OSU, Illinois, PSU etc. As with every year since 2004, there just aren't enough players that are good in space when teams make them cover more than 3 WR's.
Overall it's time for scUM fans to deal with the fact that the D will be pretty good but nothing great. It won't even be in the zip code of being good enough to overcome all the bad spots that offense will put it in.
Look at the whole game and you will see a defense that can generate a very good pass rush and has a LB that is all over the field. You will also see that same defense is shaky in coverage and is very vulnerable if the pass rush is negated by a mobile QB who can throw.
That's been the story for defenses in AA for the past 5 years. I don't follow how scUM fans think that was supposed to magically change this year just because of the coaching change and Barwis.
They blamed the DC before before English (herman?) for being too conservative and getting carved up by mobile QB's like Vince Young. Then Ron English was the savior and his brash, in your face, aggressive style of defense was going to tilt the balance back to scUM. Several years of that myth getting soundly put to rest later and the new DC, Barwis and people repeating it on the internet were the reasons this years D was going to be dominant.
To be fair I think the D is constructed to give Wisconsin and MSU fits because they can't move the QB around and their two QB's aren't very accurate. I think scUM can obviously do better against the teams that will just line up and run right at them than they will do against OSU, Illinois, PSU etc. As with every year since 2004, there just aren't enough players that are good in space when teams make them cover more than 3 WR's.
Overall it's time for scUM fans to deal with the fact that the D will be pretty good but nothing great. It won't even be in the zip code of being good enough to overcome all the bad spots that offense will put it in.
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HailToMichigan;1246703; said:
Not saying their second half was bad, but rather that it doesn't negate the shitty first half. If it were "adjustments" that were the magic bullet, why did RR wait until halftime to make them?
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02Buckeyes06
DA SHOE
HailToMichigan;1246522; said:
If only college football would incorporate 6 quarters then and maybe then TSUN would win a game. Maybe just add 2 quarters for the home openers!
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While there was a significant improvement in the second half, I have a hard time taking it at face value. Utah made a number of unforced mistakes that prevented them from getting into a rhythm like they had in the first half. They also buttoned up the offense considerably. A lot of those intermediate routes were still there in the 2nd half. If they don't commit dumb penalty after dumb penalty, I'm quite positive that would've been a 32-10 game or worse.HailToMichigan;1246522; said:
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B-town Buckeye
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please chop off my fingers if I ever get on the computer, jump on a message board and attempt to rationalize/explain away/find positives in a Buckeye loss in the home opener to Utah...when the result of said game isn't actually an upset at all...
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