2008 BCS Rankings

[BuckeyeInTheBoro]

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However getting placed 10th in the computer rankings behind Oklahoma, Utah, Boise State and 2 loss Georgia is just a joke.

They need to allow MOV back into the computer rankings. It was stupid to remove it. The guys that came up with these polls say they're not as accurate as they should be.

 

[ncaahoopfan]

I agree - who has the B12 beaten?

How good is the Big XII, really? Is anyone capable of playing defense in that league? And are all those supposed "great" offenses just a product of lots of bad defenses?

I like to look at the out-of-conference games a conference plays (specifically the out-of-conference AWAY wins). Not that the Big10 is fantastic, but the Big12 is terrible.

OOC Away Wins: Washington (OK), WashingtonSt (OKST), Nevada (TT), UTEP (UT), New Mexico (TAM) -------- that's it, 5 (a combined 12-30 + not one by the B12-North)!

OOC Away Loses (I can respect a team that goes on the road): SouthFL (KU), FloridaSt (COL), Louisville (KSU), Iowa (ISU), UNLV (ISU), UCONN (BAY) ----- 6 away loses, all to teams who won't be ranked at the end of the season (maybe FSU stays in the top 25 if they don't get blow-out by UF at the end of the season)

Wins against the other 5 power conferences: Washington State (OKST away), Washington State (BAY home), Washington (OK away), Arkansas (TX home), Cincinnati (OK home), West Virginia (COL home), Illinois (MO neutral site) --------- wow, not impressive).

Best Win: West Virginia or Illinois or TCU (OK home)

That's pretty sad

 

[LitlBuck]

I like to look at the out-of-conference games a conference plays (specifically the out-of-conference AWAY wins). Not that the Big10 is fantastic, but the Big12 is terrible.

OOC Away Wins: Washington (OK), WashingtonSt (OKST), Nevada (TT), UTEP (UT), New Mexico (TAM) -------- that's it, 5 (a combined 12-30 + not one by the B12-North)!

OOC Away Loses (I can respect a team that goes on the road): SouthFL (KU), FloridaSt (COL), Louisville (KSU), Iowa (ISU), UNLV (ISU), UCONN (BAY) ----- 6 away loses, all to teams who won't be ranked at the end of the season (maybe FSU stays in the top 25 if they don't get blow-out by UF at the end of the season)

Wins against the other 5 power conferences: Washington State (OKST away), Washington State (BAY home), Washington (OK away), Arkansas (TX home), Cincinnati (OK home), West Virginia (COL home), Illinois (MO neutral site) --------- wow, not impressive).

Best Win: West Virginia or Illinois or TCU (OK home)

That's pretty sad

The problem with that rationale regarding the Big XII is that the big 3-4 (including Missouri) while they have not played quality teams outside the conference I do not believe that any of them have lost nonconference games and I really don't care who Texas, Oklahoma, and Texas Tech played. They are very very good teams.

 

[LitlBuck]

The Democratic presidential:( candidate did say he thought they should be a playoff to determine the national championship on MNF last night.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

The Democratic presidential:( candidate did say he thought they should be a playoff to determine the national championship on MNF last night.

He also said it should be an eight-team format. I say it should be a 16-team format like all other divisions.

 

[FCollinsBuckeye]

I love the traditions of the bowls, esp the Rose, but I'm coming around to the playoff idea.

Tressel has proven himself in that format and I think it would only help Ohio State.

And I agree, Mili - 16 team format is fair. #17 team has far less room to complain then #9 team would...

 

[morbitzerker]

He also said it should be an eight-team format. I say it should be a 16-team format like all other divisions.

But do you think there would be 16 quality teams? I would like a play-off, but I think 8 teams is almost too much, only in that it is not usual for 8 or even sixteen teams to say they have a legitimate shot at the NC, or could play the quality football needed to win, imo.

Of course that's what a play-off is essentially about, giving the "underdog" hope and it does make for entertaining sports and great stories. I personally would prefer to see the premium CFB talent battling in a few games, because that is more entertaining to me than seeing a 9-3 or 8-4 team go on a run and win. But in no way am I forcing my beliefs onto you.

 

[jwinslow]

If teams must beat 4 opponents to win a title, it would likely remove the need for OOC matchups.

It does render the rest of the 101 teams completely irrelevant, which would be a crushing blow financially to both the institutions and bowls (both associations and locales).

Of course that's what a play-off is essentially about, giving the "underdog" hope and it does make for entertaining sports and great stories. I personally would prefer to see the premium CFB talent battling in a few games, because that is more entertaining to me than seeing a 9-3 or 8-4 team go on a run and win. But in no way am I forcing my beliefs onto you.

I'm with you, a 4-team playoff would solve all past BCS controversies (sure #5 might whine, but not like #3 has in the past), and still preserve much of the bowl tradition.

Tressel has proven himself in that format and I think it would only help Ohio State.

Especially during 05 & 06. In 02, they would get to prove themselves.

And more importantly, even if you lose in the title game, you've proven yourself worthy beforehand. Even if OSU still got whacked by Florida while overconfident (or overmatched, irrelevant really), they would likely have taken out

 

[ScriptOhio]

Carroll doesn't understand how BCS works, thinks it 'stinks'

LOS ANGELES -- Pete Carroll insists he doesn't understand how the BCS system works. He understands enough to know he doesn't like it one bit.
"I think it stinks. I don't think it's the way it should be," Carroll said concerning how college football crowns its champion. "But all we can do is keep talking about it."
And that's what the Southern California coach did Tuesday at his weekly meeting with reporters.
Carroll has expressed his displeasure over the years with the system, but things hit a new high for him over the weekend when the Trojans (7-1, 5-1 Pac-10) dropped from fifth to seventh in the BCS standings after they blanked Washington 56-0 for their third shutout in four games.
"I don't understand how the thing works, I don't really know," he said. "Maybe you guys will answer for it one of these days. Maybe you know and I don't. I'm sure you do.
"What is the criteria of the process? Is it to pick the team that has the best season, that has the season that you like the most and feel best about voting for? Or is it the best team at the end of the year, the team that would win a playoff system if you did have it?" he said.
One reality is pretty simple. USC trails three one-loss teams in the rankings -- Florida, Texas and Oklahoma -- despite averaging over 40 points per game and allowing only 7.1 points. That's because the Pac-10 is clearly weaker than the Big 12 or the Southeastern Conference this season, meaning the Trojans have a weaker schedule than those ranked higher. So they've got to win out and get a lot of help to reach the BCS title game.
The Big 12 has five teams ranked among the top 14 in this week's BCS standings and the SEC has four among the top 16. The Pac-10 has USC at No. 7, California at No. 21 and nobody else in the Top 25.

Entire article: ESPN - Pete Carroll doesn't like Bowl Championship Series

 

[billmac91]

Here's some very telling stats; Notice the absence of Big XII teams.
T O T A L D E F E N S E

.. Rank.. Team
1. Southern California
2. TCU
3. South Carolina
4. Alabama
5. Florida St.
6. Penn St.
7. Utah
8. Ohio St.
9. Northern Ill.
10. Boston College
11. Tennessee
12. Boise St.
13. South Fla.
14. Georgia Tech
15. Miami (Fla.)
16. Florida
17. Army
18. Arizona
19. San Jose St.
20.Mississippi St.
ncaafootball.com

Now, admittedly stats don't tell the whole story, but some food for thought.

It's a fair point...but the QB's in the Big 12 are the biggest difference IMO.

Not to pick on Todd Boeckman, but for comparisons sake, he finished #! in the Big 10 in QB effiecency last year.

Can you picture Todd running OU, Kansas, Missouri, Texas Tech, Texas, or Oklahoma States offense? Every one of those QB's have good-great arms, quick releases, and are good decesion makers. A majority of them have good pocket presence, and decent mobility.

I'm in the boat that says the Big 12 is an era of dominance, b/c they have the best QB's of all of the conferences. Once this crop has moved on, there time is done until the next cycle comes through.

 

[LitlBuck]

Not to pick on Todd Boeckman, but for comparisons sake, he finished #! in the Big 10 in QB effiecency last year.

Can you picture Todd running OU, Kansas, Missouri, Texas Tech, Texas, or Oklahoma States offense? Every one of those QB's have good-great arms, quick releases, and are good decesion makers. A majority of them have good pocket presence, and decent mobility.
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In a way I could see TB being a QB for one of those teams. Most of those guys have all day to survey the field before they throw the ball and there are usually 4-5 guys being used as WR's. I think that TB has a good enough arm that he could do pretty well in one of those programs.

 

[buckeyemania11]

LOS ANGELES -- Pete Carroll insists he doesn't understand how the BCS system works. He understands enough to know he doesn't like it one bit.

If USC were still undefeated and #1 Pete Carroll would not be whining about the BCS................

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

But do you think there would be 16 quality teams? I would like a play-off, but I think 8 teams is almost too much, only in that it is not usual for 8 or even sixteen teams to say they have a legitimate shot at the NC, or could play the quality football needed to win, imo.

...a 4-team playoff would solve all past BCS controversies (sure #5 might whine, but not like #3 has in the past), and still preserve much of the bowl tradition.Especially during 05 & 06. In 02, they would get to prove themselves.

All other football divisions use a 16-team format and have been doing so for decades, and it has worked just fine. One of the commentators was asked during a recent college game (may have been last night's Buffalo-Miami, Oh game) which of the top eight team in the current BCS standings is not a legitimate NC contender and his reply was "none", and I agree. To jog your memory, here are the current top eight teams in the BCS rankings:

Alabama
Texas Tech
Penn State
Texas
Florida
Oklahoma
USC
Utah

And Oklahoma State at number nine can also be considered a very legitimate title game-worthy team, along with #10 Boise State.

 

[morbitzerker]

All other football divisions use a 16-team format and have been doing so for decades, and it has worked just fine. One of the commentators was asked during a recent college game (may have been last night's Buffalo-Miami, Oh game) which of the top eight team in the current BCS standings is not a legitimate NC contender and his reply was "none", and I agree. To jog your memory, here are the current top eight teams in the BCS rankings:

Alabama
Texas Tech
Penn State
Texas
Florida
Oklahoma
USC
Utah

And Oklahoma State at number nine can also be considered a very legitimate title game-worthy team, along with #10 Boise State.

I would also agree with this statement as well. This year and last have given ample evidence of an 8-team play-off possibly being very entertaining, no, it WOULD be entertaining.

But would it be as entertaining to add another 8? It definately could be and that's why you play the games. IMO though, there is a difference in the level of play at about after #9 this season. I would prefer 8 teams if there was that system, but I would just like play-offs anyway.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

But would it be as entertaining to add another 8? It definately could be and that's why you play the games. IMO though, there is a difference in the level of play at about after #9 this season. I would prefer 8 teams if there was that system, but I would just like play-offs anyway.

Oklahoma State and Boise State are just outside the top 8 and yet are just as legit as #7 and #8. There is not much difference between #1 and #10 today, and thus would warrant a 16-team playoff. Even #12 TCU's only loss was at Oklahoma when OU was red-hot. The 16-team format is the tried-and-proven format...