2007 TSUN News

[MililaniBuckeye]

Shav'd Beaver?

ShavedDick Beaver.

 

[zincfinger]

When it comes down to that, Beaver's deal is that TCU and sundry other schools were recruiting him as an athlete/WR/not-quarterback. He was set to commit to TCU as such when RR offered him as a QB. Apparently he prefers playing QB enough that competition and a possible back-up role is better than another position. Michigan instead of TCU probably has a little bit to do with it too.

OK, I had no idea who else was recruiting Beaver. ChisAto referred to him as a 4* QB (although I see he's 3* on Scout, not that I place a lot of stock in star rankings), so I assumed he had some other big-time offers to play QB. But if he has no other offers to play QB form big-time schools, and little hope of getting them, it's pretty easy to see why he'd commit to UM regardless of whomever else they had committed at his preferred position.

 

[ChisAto]

OK, I had no idea who else was recruiting Beaver. ChisAto referred to him as a 4* QB (although I see he's 3* on Scout, not that I place a lot of stock in star rankings), so I assumed he had some other big-time offers to play QB. But if he has no other offers to play QB form big-time schools, and little hope of getting them, it's pretty easy to see why he'd commit to UM regardless of whomever else they had committed at his preferred position.

Yeah I called him a 4* because he was a Rivals 250 4* on Rivals.. I didn't see Scout's ranking on him. He was offered at QB by TCU, Nebraska, Arizona, and a few smaller schools. Of the "Big Time" Texas teams, only Texas Tech was recruiting him and that was at WR/ATH like HTM said.

 

[zincfinger]

Yeah I called him a 4* because he was a Rivals 250 4* on Rivals.. I didn't see Scout's ranking on him. He was offered at QB by TCU, Nebraska, Arizona, and a few smaller schools. Of the "Big Time" Texas teams, only Texas Tech was recruiting him and that was at WR/ATH like HTM said.

I understand. And I wasn't trying to question your characterization, I was just pointing out that your characterization, in lieu of knowing anything about the guy myself, was my starting point for discussing him. But I'd say the fact that he had an offer to play QB at Nebraska brings back BN27's (moot) question of why a highly-rated QB would commit to a school that has already accepted a commitment from another highly-rated QB. Which, again, I don't personally find all that unusual.

 

[BuckeyeSoldier]

Just to keep reality in check because I hate scum as much as the next guy and dont want legitimate complaints to get confused by imagined ones but generally we consider it a good thing when a player comes here assuming they can beat out their competition, i would assume both of these young men are assuming deep down that they are better than the other guy or can just outwork him.

 

[BB73]

I'll never understand QBs going to the same school. RBs? Fine...you need more than one. WRs? OLine? Of course. But QBs? How does that work?

[sarcasm] Good point. If only I had a time machine so I could go back and talk JT out of taking that second QB in the 2002 recruiting class. :tongue2: [/sarcasm]

 

[Oh8ch]

Good point. If only I had a time machine so I could go back and talk JT out of taking that second QB in the 2002 recruiting class.

Athlete.

Smith as a last second addition - as an athlete.

He was doing to be a DB or WR. Very few saw him ever taking a snap from center.

 

[Sportsbuck28]

Feagin is gonna get valuable playing time this season and will be the full-time starter sooner rather than later...let's face it, the spread option isn't going to be the hardest offense to grasp considering 2 of those 3 guys ran it/do run it in high school. Feagin did it and he's being severely underestimated so far. Beaver runs the exact same offense, and while Newsome doesn't run it, he's got the tools to be the best out of the 3 at it.

I'm not worried at all at it. If we were throwing the ball 40 times a game, yes, I'd be worried, because then you've gotta take a lot of decision-making skills into account, throwing power, accuracy, etc., a lot of variables. But when RRod has a playbook where these guys can just grab the snap and start running, I don't have a problem with a true frosh starting at all, and they'll be good with that. The only decisions they have to make in that case is whether or not to hand it off from a read on the defensive end, or when to pitch and not pitch it on an option. And considering Feagin has already done that and so has Beaver, they'll be just fine.

I honestly do like how people are saying Michigan is going to go 5-7 this year and be absolutely terrible. People don't realize how easy the offense is to run compared to a pro style offense or just a plain spread offense. The spread option offense is not hard to learn. I would be surprised if the team does any worse than 3 losses this season. I'm looking for 11-2 or 10-3 at worst.

LOL, from a scUM fan.

 

[BUCKYLE]

LOL, from a scUM fan.

Link?

 

[OregonBuckeye]

Link?

x2. Please start posting links to your quotes, sb28.

 

[Sportsbuck28]

MaddenMania

Near the bottom.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I would be surprised if the team does any worse than 3 losses this season. I'm looking for 11-2 or 10-3 at worst.

File that one next to:

"we don't lose 3 games a year"-Hart

"No one loses 4 straight to OSU"-Sniper or HTM I forget which

"Trent is a pretty good corner" -paraphrase of a currently popular scUM fan concept

"Boren was only the third best returning OL"- paraphrased but saw it on their Rivals board with my own 2 eyes

"English is staying and will be the DC, OSU is screwed!" -another popular scUM fan refrain from a few years back

They keep teeing it up and JT keeps giving us the ability to knock it out of the park.

 

[Oh8ch]

"Boren was only the third best returning OL"- paraphrased but saw it on their Rivals board with my own 2 eyes

I was at a funeral in Michigan yesterday. Spent a lot of my time making sure everyone knew I was a proud Buckeye and promising to relay everyone's best wishes to Justin. Each of the UM fans had a different explanation of what "really happened" with Boren. My favorite is that Mike Boren was so tight with the Administration that Lloyd agreed to start him even though there were several better players on the team. The reason he left is not because he was the third best OL, but because he was not going to hold onto a starting job at all.

(Of course, nobody knew enough about OSU recruiting to appreciate that a fat, lazy, slow kid might face some challenges in Cbus as well.)


All that said - I increasingly believe that there will be some crow to eat on this board relative to how well Michigan fares this season.

 

[NFBuck]

All that said - I increasingly believe that there will be some crow to eat on this board relative to how well Michigan fares this season.

By whom? :)

There's gonna be a rough adjustment period, I firmly believe that, but it is still m*ch*g*n. There is talent and the Big-Ten is again not looking all that strong as a whole. I'm not one of the people saying they'll totally shit the bed next year, but I'd be quite surprised by anything less than four losses. I see five...

- at Notre Dame (yep, I think fat Charlie and the golden emu pull it out)
- Wiscy
- Illinois
- at Purdue
- at tOSU

Other iffy games...
- Utah (first game under new system, Utes not a bad mid-major
- at PSU (yeah scUM had their number, but it's in Happy Valley, that's always tough)
- MSU (Dantonio will have his kids ready to play)

I see 8-4 best case, 6-6 worst. I know it's early, but the offense is gonna struggle with no line to play behind, questionable QB(s) and the loss of their top 2 recievers. I think their D will be solid, but nowhere near what they're expecting.

 

[buckeyemania11]

People don't realize how easy the offense is to run compared to a pro style offense or just a plain spread offense. The spread option offense is not hard to learn. I would be surprised if the team does any worse than 3 losses this season. I'm looking for 11-2 or 10-3 at worst.

it is hard when you have no offensive line