2007 TSUN News

[jwinslow]

While looking to see if this CFN article was posted here, I found this flashback

All I've ever argued is that Henne is a stud and he'll be taken before Brennan in the draft. This article does nothing to dispute that. It's common knowledge at this point that Brian Brohm will be the first QB taken in the draft, and CFN would even be the first news organization to say that

The same CFN that has Brennan #1 and Henne #7, calling Brennan the "Brennan is the absolute, 100%, NFL-caliber real deal" while only saying about Henne "should grow into the best NFL quarterback prospect from Michigan since Elvis Grbac"? Sorry, but plain English tells me that they say Brennan is the better pro prospect.

Again, Colt is fantastic, and he's going to have an enormous year and probably will be a first team All-American but that doesn't change the fact that Chad Henne and Brian Brohm are better pro prospects

Again, Henne is a better pro prospect based on what? His extra 15 or so pounds? Brennan has been playing in a pro-style offense under the direction of a former pro quarterback and pro quarterbacks and head coach.

Henne is a better pro prospect because he's got better size, a stronger arm, and will have had 4-years starting experience in an actual pro-style WCO. Henne is a lot more than 15 or so pounds bigger than Brennan. I got a chance to see both of them at the Elite 11 as counselors out in Cali about 2 weeks ago. Henne is at least 25 pounds thicker and is much more cut up. Brennan looks like a freshman standing next to Henne. At the camp when they were tossing the ball around Henne's passes had plenty more zip than Brennan's and he was able to push the ball further down the field than Brennan without having to wind-up as much. Henne is a better pro prospect because he's got better size, a stronger arm (I'd say much stronger after having seen them in person without pads) and he's actually had experience in a pro-style offense against legitimate competition.

Sorry, but Henne just isn't a better QB...period. Don't care if you (as an obvious Michigan fan) saw them both at a camp or not. Don't care if Henne is indeed more than 15 pounds heavier than Brennan. Don't care if Henne happened to be throwing the ball harder that day. Camp performances mean jack shit. Game performance does. What's laughable is gauging arm strength by looking at them without pads. Hell, let just have nothing but body builders as pro QBs then.

Say this with me, Colt Brennan = Timmy Chang, only better. A Timmy Chang v.2.0 if you will. A Timmy Chang with less bugs and better size. Brennan gets inflated stats playing against mainly garbage competition in an offensive system that is designed for him to throw the football 45 times a game and put up gaudy numbers. That does not make him a legitimate pro prospect.

This part of your post is 100% proof positive is that you are totally clueless about Brennan. His mechanics are not even similar to Chang's. His release is quicker. His field vision is better. The only similarity is that they both played QB for Hawaii and both put up big numbers. Chang threw a ton of interceptions...Brennan has not. Chang was benched for shitty performance...Brennan has not been. You argue about inflated stats, but his completion percentage and passing efficiency being so far above Henne's negates the inflated yardage and TDs.

As for your comment about Michigan's offense being more of a WCO offense than Hawaii's, well, let's say that your definition of a WCO differs significantly better from mine. The very definition of a WCO is that it emphasizes a short, horizontal passing attack to help stretch the defense out, which is precisely what Hawaii's offense does. Michigan relies far more on the running game. Michigan ran the ball 535 times in 13 games...that's 41 carries per game. Uh, new flash OSwhoople, WCO teams don't run the ball 41 times game either in college or in the pros. By the way, Hawaii ran the ball 298 times in 14 games (21 carries per game), which is more in line with the WCO philosophy.

He specifically said WCO. So, which is it? West Coast Offense? Pro-style West Coast Offense? College-style West Coast Offense? Michigan West Coast Offense? West of the Mississippi Coast Offense? Whatever.

Bottom line is that regardless of the man-crush you Michigan fans have on Henne, the fact is Brennan is the better passer and pro prospect and even CFN said so. Hawaii runs the quick, stretch the field offense that is the very definition of the West Coast Offense. Michigan runs the "we'll throw it downfield when Mike Hart is on the bench" offense...

I'm not a Mihigan fan at all, I just know Henne is a better NFL prospect....again, just wait and see

And anybody who knows anything about football will tell you Michigan runs a pro-style offense and Hawaii does not

So Henne's the better quarterback prospect because he gets to hand the ball off more often...yeah, that makes sense.

 

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[jwinslow]

FarEastJets found this interesting flashback:

Scout.com: 2007 CFN Big Ten Preview

[FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]Coach on the Hot Seat
Lloyd Carr, Michigan – Hey Lloyd, thanks for that national title a decade ago. All those Big Ten titles have certainly been fun, and starting 11-0 and missing a national title shot by a whisker certainly showed how good the program still is …now win another championship. Oh yeah, and you’d better not lose a fourth in a row to the Buckeyes. (To those fickle Maize and Blue fans hoping soon for a coaching change in the near future: be careful what you wish for.)

[/FONT][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]5 Non-Conference Games the Big Ten had better take, very, very seriously
1. Ohio State at Washington, Sept. 15
2. Ball State at Illinois, Sept. 20
3 Purdue at Toledo, Sept. 1
4. Appalachian State at Michigan, Sept. 1 – (Don’t laugh … there’s a two-time defending national champion in the house and it’s not the one in blue.)
5. North Dakota State at Minnesota, Oct. 20 – (You’re still laughing … it took a blocked kick for the Gophers to avoid being upset by the Bison last year.)

#2, #4 & #5 were great calls. #1 wasn't a bad one either, given what they did to USC.

[/FONT][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]5 Best Pro Prospects
1. OT Jake Long, Sr. Michigan
2. LB Dan Connor, Sr. Penn State
3. CB Jack Ikegwuonu, Jr. Wisconsin
4. CB Malcolm Jenkins, Soph. Ohio State
5. TE Travis Beckum, Jr. Wisconsin

Another strong list.

[/FONT][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif] 5 Bold Predictions
1. Michigan’s offense won’t be unstoppable like most will expect, but it’ll be wickedly effective as it rolls to a 10-0 start. Forget the problems with number two receiver Adrian Arrington and the knee injury to key running back Kevin Grady, the Wolverine offense will still bomb away at will thanks to the offensive line, Mike Hart, Marion Manningham, and the underappreciated Chad Henne.
2. Michigan State won’t bounce back. It’s not like John L. Smith couldn’t coach (remember, he set the foundation for the Louisville powerhouse), but he wasn’t the right fit. Mark Dantonio is an excellent coach who’ll soon make the Spartans above average again, but it’s not going to happen this year. In fact, MSU will finish somewhere in the bottom three.
3. Penn State will be in the title hunt until the very end. And Anthony Morelli will be terrific. The defense will be its typical nasty brick wall, and just enough of a running game will emerge to keep the offense rolling. Losses to Michigan and Wisconsin will keep the Nittany Lions from the Big Ten title, but they’ll be close.
4. Iowa will rebound, at least record-wise. Drew Tate might be gone and no one is thinking about the Hawkeyes when it comes to the Big Ten championship, but they’ll come up with ten wins (helped by missing Ohio State and Michigan).
5. Illinois still won’t be all that good. This year. Everyone will have a nervous eye on the Illini after a few amazing recruiting classes, but it won’t be until 2008 when the young talent will finally be experienced enough to start winning consistently. There will be a big upset or two this season, but it’s not going to be the breakthrough year many will expect.

Well they made up for their great predictions with this pile of laughers.

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What Will Happen
- Wisconsin will get out to a 9-0 start before losing to Ohio State in Columbus. The Badgers will bounce back to hand Michigan its first defeat of the year before beating Minnesota in the season-finale to go 11-1 and off to the Rose Bowl. Michigan will also finish 11-1 (helped by a win over Ohio State).
- Ohio State will start out hot thanks to its defense, and then will suffer a collapse at Purdue in a shootout. Losses at Penn State and Michigan will make Jim Tressel’s team an also-ran (but it’ll bounce back in a big way in 2008).
- Wisconsin, Michigan, Penn State, Iowa, Ohio State, Purdue, Northwestern and Minnesota will go bowling.

Also-ran?
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