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Ohio State @ Pittsburgh, Friday, Nov. 28, 7 PM, ESPN2

Mike80
buckeyemania11 said:
Agreed you basically have to give him a 3rd year but with the on court results looking like a carbon copy of Holtmann it's hard to get enthused even with a pretty good class coming in next year
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Frankly a carbon copy of Holtmann would be a nice turnaround.

The dude did win at a 67% clip until the last two seasons did him in. I don't think anyone would say boo at that.

The toughness aspect hasn't been around since Craft graduated.
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Ohio State @ Pittsburgh, Friday, Nov. 28, 7 PM, ESPN2

buckeyemania11
Mike80 said:
I agree. In fact, I kinda don't see them approaching .500.

I don't think this program is in a position to fire Diebler yet. Like it or not, Ohio State is not a destination spot and likely never will be. The state doesn't produce enough in-state talent, basketball is always going to be 2nd fiddle to football no matter how some people may wish it were otherwise, and while no one will outright say it, the NIL money just isn't there. Resetting the program, again, just digs the hole to relevancy a little deeper.

I think you almost have to give him a 3rd year at this point, given the full rebuild he faced in year 1 and all that unless the bottom completely falls out. They fired Holtmann who was winning at a rate above the program's historical average, and if Diebler somehow gets them to 20 wins, he will be somewhere north of the .612 program winning percentage as well.

As for the 3 out of 4 seasons - other than the Matta era, they've NEVER done that. The only reason they are at 22 out of 40 (this season will be 41) since the field expanded in 1984/85, is because Matta had 9 (9 out of 13 seasons) of them on his own. For the record, Holtmann is tied for 2nd place in that timespan with Jim O'Brien with 4 - both 4 appearances out of 7 season, although Holtmann was almost certainly making it in 2020 when COVID shut the world down.
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Agreed you basically have to give him a 3rd year but with the on court results looking like a carbon copy of Holtmann it's hard to get enthused even with a pretty good class coming in next year
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2025-2026 Ohio State Men's Basketball

DZ83CK
There was a saying Diebler had going into the Pitt game, in reference to last season's loss where Pitt had 16 offensive rebounds & outscored OSU in the paint. Diebler said you're either the hammer or the nail. After giving up 16 offensive rebounds again and being outscored 38-30 in the paint, I guess the Buckeyes are the nail. Certainly the way the team came out in the first half was uninspired and does not bode well. Cannot come out and let other teams outhustle and outwork you.
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Was 2014-2018 the best 5-year stretch or are we in it now?

saturdaysarebetter
Zurp said:
Exactly my thought. Maybe last year will be the beginning of the best 5-year stretch, but time will tell.
Also, I don't know much about 1955 or 1956, but national championships in 1954 and 1957 mean that that period should be in the discussion.
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38-7-2 from 1954-1958, two Rose Bowl wins, the national championship in 1954. I'm seeing 9-0 Auburn listed at the national champion in 1957 with 8-1 Ohio State finishing second.
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Ohio State @ Pittsburgh, Friday, Nov. 28, 7 PM, ESPN2

Mike80
DaveyBoy said:
I see us struggling to get .500 in conference
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I agree. In fact, I kinda don't see them approaching .500.
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Diebler may be recruiting well but it won’t matter if they make the transition to good college players. He is embarrassingly out of his league. I was in favor of hiring him but it was clearly a mistake. Bjork needs to make the tough decision after the season. OSU should be a tourney team 3 out of 4 seasons
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I don't think this program is in a position to fire Diebler yet. Like it or not, Ohio State is not a destination spot and likely never will be. The state doesn't produce enough in-state talent, basketball is always going to be 2nd fiddle to football no matter how some people may wish it were otherwise, and while no one will outright say it, the NIL money just isn't there. Resetting the program, again, just digs the hole to relevancy a little deeper.

I think you almost have to give him a 3rd year at this point, given the full rebuild he faced in year 1 and all that unless the bottom completely falls out. They fired Holtmann who was winning at a rate above the program's historical average, and if Diebler somehow gets them to 20 wins, he will be somewhere north of the .612 program winning percentage as well.

As for the 3 out of 4 seasons - other than the Matta era, they've NEVER done that. The only reason they are at 22 out of 40 (this season will be 41) since the field expanded in 1984/85, is because Matta had 9 (9 out of 13 seasons) of them on his own. For the record, Holtmann is tied for 2nd place in that timespan with Jim O'Brien with 4 - both 4 appearances out of 7 season, although Holtmann was almost certainly making it in 2020 when COVID shut the world down.
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Ohio State @ Pittsburgh, Friday, Nov. 28, 7 PM, ESPN2

buckeyemania11
DZ83CK said:
I do know Thad Matta believed in guarding the in-bounds pass in late-game situations, and it was very rare that OSU lost with a late lead under Matta. As soon as Holtmann came in, the late-game philosophy backfired and OSU has constantly lost games in spite of late leads. The officiating definitely hurt OSU down the stretch in this game, but that being said, it was a big mistake to not guard the in-bounds pass with 3.9 seconds left. Make them take extra time off the clock having to catch the ball in the backcourt, or else throw long.
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This game shoulda never even been close is the major problem. Pitt is a bad team and could barely field a 7 man rotation for this game. Letting a team like that hang around till the end exposes you to the chance of a guy who couldn't hit water from a boat all night draining a shot at the buzzer

We lose games like this way more than we win them which doesn't help the case of Diebler just being an extension of Holtmann
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Ohio State @ Pittsburgh, Friday, Nov. 28, 7 PM, ESPN2

DZ83CK
I do know Thad Matta believed in guarding the in-bounds pass in late-game situations, and it was very rare that OSU lost with a late lead under Matta. As soon as Holtmann came in, the late-game philosophy backfired and OSU has constantly lost games in spite of late leads. The officiating definitely hurt OSU down the stretch in this game, but that being said, it was a big mistake to not guard the in-bounds pass with 3.9 seconds left. Make them take extra time off the clock having to catch the ball in the backcourt, or else throw long.
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