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Game Thread #2 tOSU at #3 Oregon, Sat. Oct. 12, 7:30 pm ET, NBC

I'm still baffled that the official did not announce that the clock would start on his signal after the OPI. I have never seen them run the clock after a penalty without announcing, especially at that point in the game. Bucks lost some very valuable time there that probably decided the final score.
Not only that but I need that rule explained to me cause the clock was stopped before the play so why would it run on the snap after the penalty?
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Game Thread #2 tOSU at #3 Oregon, Sat. Oct. 12, 7:30 pm ET, NBC

All Fair points. That pass to Smith was supposed to be safe and effective (7 yard single coverage sideline route to your best receiver). I’m not arguing the refs call, but you certainly don’t factor OPI as a risk when calling that play.
Maybe not OPI but what about holding on the OL? Or a sack?

There is just a lot more that can go wrong when throwing the ball.

And thats not to suggest we should operate in fear, but these things need to be considered when making decisions. Risk/Reward factor.
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What kind of car do you drive?

Interesting that BMW would source subpar parts. :/

I wonder if there is a difference in those things between the Ms and the regular BMWs. That, and the extra HP are what always sold me on the S4 and S6 over the A variants.
Looks like you can get a sport suspension on the A's and the S's just come with it.

Now, due to the utility of the vehicle I also put up with Ford's BS. My truck has the fx4 package, and the best part of that is the floor mats. It has upgraded shocks, I don't for a second think that means better constructed. No to be fair, I was the second owner if this BMW and it was originally was sold in Hawaii. If that shock never saw road salt I would probably be fine.
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What kind of car do you drive?

Now ..

NGL I did try to buy one of these a couple times (well at least once) dude selling it just wouldn't get where I needed to be on the number (I was 22 or 23 and you have the $ you have)


Worked out though. Couple weeks later I ran across a ln 88 scirocco 2. I think it was $2100.
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Game Thread #2 tOSU at #3 Oregon, Sat. Oct. 12, 7:30 pm ET, NBC

I’m actually OK with the loss. We were 1 questionable OPI call away from winning, and very well could have won the game. It was pretty evenly matched in a game where a lot went wrong for us. They played with their hair on fire in their home stadium, but it was clear that overall we had the better players. They just made more plays than us.

I almost prefer the loss than if they had made a walk off field goal. The loss stings more and makes them want it more and it gives them something to rally behind. We will likely see them again on a neutral field and I like our chances. There is a lot on tape for them to look at and improve on, and I think they can in most cases. The line play in general is my biggest worry, but it’s not so bad that we can’t still win out as is. Winning the game would have masked some of the issues, not solved them.

It’s not about winning in October, it’s about winning in December and January, and I think the L here gets them closer to that goal than a W would have.
I'm still baffled that the official did not announce that the clock would start on his signal after the OPI. I have never seen them run the clock after a penalty without announcing, especially at that point in the game. Bucks lost some very valuable time there that probably decided the final score.
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Alabama Crimson Tide (official thread of Football, Fake Championships and Banjo)

I remember that year he beat Bama once.

He also crapped the bed against a terrible Jimbo led Aggy team that year.

Maybe we should print cups for BK saying that "He beat Bama by 1 point at home once!!!"

didn’t say print the cups. but not surprised that’s our resident Aggy fan’s response.

said if he could beat that Bama team with Saban, he can beat this Bama team with DeBoer.

look, were not a championship level team yet. But every game on our schedule the rest of the way is definitely winnable with this team.
Nuss just played the absolute worst game of his career and we still won.
We get the Nuss we’ve had every other game and this defense keeps improving like they are, were going to have a really good year.
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HC Ryan Day (2019 B1G Media COY)

Howard threw for over 300 yards with 2 TD and no interceptions, and he got the ball into JJ and Egbuka's hands regularly (combined for just under 200 yds with 2TD). His QB rating last night was higher than Gabriel's. I can see Trey, but Quin had a horrible game last night and averaged 1.9 yards a carry. I love the kid so far this year, but last night Oregon had his number, and he wasn't the solution to anything.

I think Q had whatever rumored hand injury leading up to this game, and after the fumble they seemed hesitant to put him in on anything other than passing or short yardage to gain a few and fall forward. I thought he'd have a big game and didn't seem himself.

The final drive was great up until the OPI. I liked the pass to Smith on the last drive, as with Simmons done they were less likely to pick up a decent amount of yards with a run and still have to burn a timeout. Refs could just as easily called holding on a run. It was an unlucky penalty due to a weak DB getting bodied when he tried to jam. He sold it and it just didn't go OSU's way. Day or someone in Day's ear needs to know the clock rules, but it seems odd that the refs would spot the ball and immediately run the clock without notifying both teams. Especially at the end of the game. Once there was 6 seconds to go, you're asking for a miracle. They're not hitting a 55 yarder, and as soon as Howard hesitated to throw the quick out, it was over.

The main thing that concerns me is the defensive staff possibly not being on the same page. You can't win like that and heads need to roll if they're not willing to put their egos aside and work with each other.

I'm a big fan of Day. I really want to see him succeed because, well, it means OSU succeeds. I also think he's a good blend of Tressel and Meyer. Even keeled and less likely to burn out than Meyer, but more aggressive and a better recruiter than Tressel. I still see that, but time is running out for him to deliver. No one is going to believe he can get it done until he does. The only frustrating part in all this are fans continuing to talk out of both sides of their mouths when it comes to Michigan. When OSU wins, they're dirtbag cheaters who pulled off one of the biggest cheating scams in college history. Obviously that's true. But when OSU losses, Day is John Cooper and either Michigan didn't cheat or Day was supposed to overcome 3 years of cheating anyway and beat them. Because like it or not, without that cheating, Day is close to what Urban Meyer was here.

Can't blame anyone who is frustrated and tired of the almosts and wants a fresh start. If you can't figure out a way to win with this combination of talent and experience, it feels like he never will. At this point I'm close to wanting a fresh start just so I can enjoy talking about the games and my favorite team again, and not have everything boil down to whether the coach is a choker, soft, etc.

This is way easier said than done.

Some people who overachieve at places do so due to having less pressure.

There are countless stories of someone doing well at a mid-major or lower P5 who didn't work out at a higher profile job.

At the end of the day, if the person you replace Day with doesn't win a title, it's a bust of a hire.

@Tomateaux Quinoa Gumbeaux sums up my opinion on replacing him perfectly. If you replace him with anyone other than a coach who wins 1 or more titles in 5 years, it's a failure. The odds of immediately finding another coach who wins the games he does, PLUS at least 50% of the ones he doesn't, is close to zero. It's a really tough spot being caught between some success, but not enough.

As for finding the guy that does less with more, Florida hired coaches who succeeded at CSU and Lafayette, and they fell flat on their faces. Fans were clamoring for Peterson to replace Tressel after the terrible post season runs of 06-08, and when he finally went to Washington he went 55-26, won a few conference titles, 0 top tier bowl games and retired.

If Day keeps failing in these big games, patience will run out and he'll be fired. It'll take care of itself. But I really hope he can find a way to get over the hump because I don't trust this AD to hire a moving target in the dark.
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Game Thread #2 tOSU at #3 Oregon, Sat. Oct. 12, 7:30 pm ET, NBC

I mean, we had 40 seconds still. You can run, no huddle, run again, then call a timeout. With two running plays you would certainly hope you could get some extra yards and make the FG under 40 yards.

It truly blows my mind that we did not do this. As soon as I saw Egbuka run out at the 28 and saw how much time was remaining, this was really a no brainer to me. Hell, just run the JT Barrett play with Will Howard a couple times, you're going to get at least a few yards each time.

Add this to the list with 2022 Georgia and 2019 Clemson as games we absolutely never should have lost under any circumstance but did thanks in part to some horrifically bad coaching decisions.

I'm so damn sick of losing games like this that we have no business losing. Those 3 games should have been wins 100 out of 100 times. Two of them cost us National Championship Game appearances, with one of them being a certain victory. The stakes weren't nearly as high for this one but one more slip up and it costs us a Big Ten Championship Game appearance. Two more slip ups and it costs us a Playoff appearance.
All Fair points. That pass to Smith was supposed to be safe and effective (7 yard single coverage sideline route to your best receiver). I’m not arguing the refs call, but you certainly don’t factor OPI as a risk when calling that play.

Game Thread #2 tOSU at #3 Oregon, Sat. Oct. 12, 7:30 pm ET, NBC

I mean, we had 40 seconds still. You can run, no huddle, run again, then call a timeout. With two running plays you would certainly hope you could get some extra yards and make the FG under 40 yards.

It truly blows my mind that we did not do this. As soon as I saw Egbuka run out at the 28 and saw how much time was remaining, this was really a no brainer to me. Hell, just run the JT Barrett play with Will Howard a couple times, you're going to get at least a few yards each time.

Add this to the list with 2022 Georgia and 2019 Clemson as games we absolutely never should have lost under any circumstance but did thanks in part to some horrifically bad coaching decisions.

I'm so damn sick of losing games like this that we have no business losing. Those 3 games should have been wins 100 out of 100 times. Two of them cost us National Championship Game appearances, with one of them being a certain victory. The stakes weren't nearly as high for this one but one more slip up and it costs us a Big Ten Championship Game appearance. Two more slip ups and it costs us a Playoff appearance.
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HC Ryan Day (2019 B1G Media COY)

Saban retired because he didn't like they was college football has evolved with the NIL and plyers demanding more money or they will leave. Has that changed? No. So he won't be coming back to coaching. All reports is that Vrabel has no desire to coach at the college level. You have to like what you are seeing out of Cignetti so that would be possible if Day can't beat Michigan this year.

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Cignetti is 5-0 and looks sharp but so far that's been a really weak SOS he's faced. Yes, he's kicked their asses, which is promising, but you might want to see how he does the next 5 games before putting him in a top 3 list to replace a coach who loses 2 games a year max.
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HC Ryan Day (2019 B1G Media COY)

It's about identifying a guy who's done more with less somewhere else and can use all of the advantages Ohio State has to offer.
This is way easier said than done.

Some people who overachieve at places do so due to having less pressure.

There are countless stories of someone doing well at a mid-major or lower P5 who didn't work out at a higher profile job.

At the end of the day, if the person you replace Day with doesn't win a title, it's a bust of a hire.
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Game Thread #2 tOSU at #3 Oregon, Sat. Oct. 12, 7:30 pm ET, NBC

Exactly what I thought would happen.
Remember when everyone crucified Day for running the ball against Georgia in the final moments, and setting up a long field goal that we missed? 45 yards is not close enough on the road in college.

Game Thread #2 tOSU at #3 Oregon, Sat. Oct. 12, 7:30 pm ET, NBC

Not to make any excuses but the lack of holding calls in CFB in general is a problem. There are future NFL all pro DL that can't get to the QB AT ALL in games against walk-on OLs. It's absolutely ridiculous. Several times last night, JTT was a step away from getting to the QB while being totally sideways because he's being mugged. I get that it can't be called every down even if it's happening every play but the officials HAVE to make the OL play honest from time to time.
That presumes that the Buckeye OL doesn't hold. The story I heard all week long from BTN was that Oregon's OL and DL were underestimated. The game seemed to prove that true. Most "experts" also believed that the game would be decided by who had the ball last. With the ball at the Oregon 28, the Bucks were within Fielding's range. Why, with only 30 some seconds left on the clock, don't you run to where the kicker feels strongest, force Oregon to use a time out or stop the clock at 6 and kick it? You either believe in your kicker or you don't. But in 34 seconds and one time out, you weren't getting into that end zone.

As for Ryan Day - and Urbs, and Tress - I think loyalty to players and coaches has been a problem. If you're the boss, you set the expectations, you demand the coordination and cooperation, and if you don't get it, you replace.
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Game Thread #2 tOSU at #3 Oregon, Sat. Oct. 12, 7:30 pm ET, NBC

Hi

I ducked (no pun intended) out early as I could see how things were going. IF Oregon was not in the B1G, I wouldn't care so much for a 1 pt loss on the road. But that is a huge hit. OSU has to run the table now, and do it convincingly. There is no margin of error. Day screws this up, I suggest OSU starts looking for a new HC who can win the big games
Amen to that
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