Now out 2-4 weeks with an ankle injury.

RIP to boxer Ricky Hatton, who was only 46.
https://www.upi.com/Sports_News/2025/09/15/world-boxing-champion-Ricky-Hatton-dead-46/5581757943291/

BigWoof31 said:

He just can't be asked to throw more than 20 times a game. They gotta take the ball out of his hands

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Which is what one says about all the really great QB's.....

BuckeyeNation27 said:

Yeah, but how many World Series have the Braves won since 2004? That's as relevant to the discussion of Patrick Tebow.

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I... whuuut? You said "since Tyreek left".

Your take is that Mahomes has been ineffective without Hill. To the point of comparing him with a 50% NFL passer that was Tebow.

Since Tyreek left, Mahomes has won more Superbowls than he did with him. That is perfectly relevant to this discussion.

It's fine to reassess your take and rethink your stance. Again, you're like me... I'm not fond of Patrick either. He's annoying and so is the 24/7 Chiefs coverage and preferential on-field calls.

None of that precludes Mahomes from being a top 3 QB.

Edit: Worth pointing out, the Chiefs were blown out by Tampa in a Superbowl with Tyreek playing for them.

BB73 said:

Still September, but guys that either threw 5 picks or 10 straight incompletions yesterday have slid down the list.

Odds courtesy of BetMGM as of Sunday, Sept. 14

• 1. QB Carson Beck, Miami: +700
• 2. QB John Mateer, Oklahoma: +900
• 3. QB Dante Moore, Oregon: +1100
• T4. QB Gunner Stockton, Georgia: +1200
• T4. QB Joey Aguilar, Tennessee: +1200
• T6. QB Garrett Nussmeier, LSU: +1500
• T6. QB Marcel Reed, Texas A&M: +1500
• 8. WR Jeremiah Smith, Ohio State: +1600
• 9. QB Julian Sayin, Ohio State: +1700
• 10. QB Jackson Arnold, Auburn: +2000

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When did the Heisman committee decide they would die on the hill of the award going to a QB?

I know it's generally been a QB award for a long time but I don't recall ever seeing it be this forced.

This is sad.

GeorgiaBuck2 said:

How are Moore, Aguilar, and Nussmeier, ahead of Smith and Sayin lol? And Stockton won't be there at the end. Had a decent game against a shit Tennessee defense missing their top two corners. He's a checkdown charlie for the most part.

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If you only knew the power of the SEC side. /DarthVaderVoice

Espn is so weird. In their article today about the all time college coaches they only credit Woody Hayes with 3 national titles but of course credit Bear Bryant with his full 6

Too much side, not enough boob

1). Has one of the games brightest young coaches
2). Has a top 3 WR in the sport
3). Better than average running backs
4). Vikings defense is pretty good!

I don't know how things could be laid out any better for JJM. Sam Darnold won 14 games last year with the same squad.
He just can't be asked to throw more than 20 times a game. They gotta take the ball out of his hands

brodybuck21 said:

I should be at 20 points...no?

Fla St 13.5
BG 6.5
= 20

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Yes, you’re in there twice, at 13.5 and 6.5, I’ll combine them.

Jaxbuck said:

They'll drop us in the polls this week since we won't win by a big enough margin.

Probably get passed by Notre Dame

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Pffff they’ll drop us below Clemson and Florida