buckeyemania11 said:

I've never said to fire him after this year, that wouldn't make any sense at this point. You give him a 3rd year but I think that's enough if he doesn't show clear improvement.

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Yet we get the "pleasure" of the same lazy tired takes from you. Yippie.

BTW - this season HAS BEEN clear improvement. Last year they were 17-15 and weren't even competitive. This year has been an improvement in both record, competition levels and tournament chances. But I'm guessing you won't see that either because you won't define anything that isn't in your favor.

You don't really have a plan. Placing blame solely on the coach the entire time, at which point the same people who know better tell you that you're missing the forest for the trees, you back off and prevaricate. Which is it? Diebler is winning 60.3% of his games - the all-time percentage is 61.2% - so fire him, right? What's your plan?

This program is what it is right now. Without mega donors (there are none) or the school kicking in serious $$$ (not gonna happen when they are more worried about their profit margin), you're only going to get Diebler's performance at best.

It would be a LOT easier for this program to bottom out at this point. Columbus in particular and Ohio in general doesn't produce near enough talent to go by recruiting alone to win consistently in the Big Ten or nationally. Columbus isn't Chicago or Philly or New York or Indianapolis. The basketball culture just isn't there in the city and it's currently not there at the school either. It can be, it has been, but it's not. It takes time, commitment and support to rebuild it.

So what's your plan?

Cutting any coaches off from the NIL funds needed isn't going to solve anything. It wouldn't matter if it's Jake Diebler or Sean Miller or Chris Mack whoever else you think could "fix it".

It's not fixable by one coach or one person.

Screeching about the coaching in place now, with a very limited roster and square pegs in triangular holes is just self-serving in my IMO. You either can't or won't see the big picture or you purposely want it to fail (i.e. Diebler kicked your puppy) and you like to be miserable.

Mike80 said:

Odd you say this since we're just now at year 2.....

I think @DZ83CK is right, Diebler kicked your puppy or something. This hate fetish you have for him is a little odd bro.

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I've never said to fire him after this year, that wouldn't make any sense at this point. You give him a 3rd year but I think that's enough if he doesn't show clear improvement.

No, we're supposed to give the guy adequate resources to do his job before we judge him. 12th in B1G in NIL as has been reported. Currently 8th in B1G standings. A home court which many have stated isn't much of an advantage.
You're right. He is terribly underachieving.

buckeyemania11 said:

Oy vey.

So, we are just supposed to give the guy like 5/6 years even if he's clearly not getting it done after year 3/4? That's how the program remains in deep mediocrity. Where do you draw the line?

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Odd you say this since we're just now at year 2.....

I think @DZ83CK is right, Diebler kicked your puppy or something. This hate fetish you have for him is a little odd bro.

buckeyeintn said:

So you believe you can judge just how good of a batter someone is who has to step up the the plate every time with an 0-2 count? When he has never started a plate appearance with an 0-0 count? Interesting.

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Oy vey.

So, we are just supposed to give the guy like 5/6 years even if he's clearly not getting it done after year 3/4? That's how the program remains in deep mediocrity. Where do you draw the line?

Two time national champion Buckeye Cayla Barnes gets the first goal against Sweden. US up 1-0.

buckeyemania11 said:

I think it's pretty noticeable that Diebler is still "figuring things out" when it comes to being a head coach. I think year 3 needs to look quite a bit better when it comes to xs and os and the team having some kind of identity and playing better as a unit offensively and defensively.

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So you believe you can judge just how good of a batter someone is who has to step up the the plate every time with an 0-2 count? When he has never started a plate appearance with an 0-0 count? Interesting.

buckeyeintn said:

Both things may be true. But one of them we know is true. The other is conjecture at this point. Until (unless) the playing field is leveled, at least somewhat, there is no way to know for sure how good (or bad) of a coach Diebler is. If someone steps up to the plate with an 0-2 count every at bat it's difficult to tell how good of a hitter they really are.

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I think it's pretty noticeable that Diebler is still "figuring things out" when it comes to being a head coach. I think year 3 needs to look quite a bit better when it comes to xs and os and the team having some kind of identity and playing better as a unit offensively and defensively.

colobuck79 said:

Let me just put this out there. The Canadian curling cheaters. Who else cheats? Who is close to Canada? Draw your own conclusions.

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The Cu Clux Clan of curling.

buckeyemania11 said:

It's entirely possible for BOTH things to be true. The University could care less about the hoops program and Diebler just not being that good as an actual coach

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Both things may be true. But one of them we know is true. The other is conjecture at this point. Until (unless) the playing field is leveled, at least somewhat, there is no way to know for sure how good (or bad) of a coach Diebler is. If someone steps up to the plate with an 0-2 count every at bat it's difficult to tell how good of a hitter they really are.

Brown’s two bombs yesterday.
neither one was cheap either

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DZ83CK said:

NIL has Diebler at a huge disadvantage compared with teams like UM. If you can't see that and recognize there is something there that is very real and holding him back, you're just being willfully ignorant. I do believe there will be some more funds for next season - it may be they will still be behind top programs by a significant amount, but it should be different from the way they were truly held back by the university last offseason. You want to pin Diebler to a team that OSU hasn't invested competitive resources in, as if its mainly his fault, and it's wrong.

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It's entirely possible for BOTH things to be true. The University could care less about the hoops program and Diebler just not being that good as an actual coach

BuckeyeNation27 said:

2006 vs Florida was the last time I can remember it being allowed for Ohio State to be "the team" without somebody attempting to shit all over us for something. Losing that one by getting absolutely dominated changed something in CFB.

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So around that time, the faintly (or not so faintly) racist chants about "southern speed" and the "spread option" where the total hype by ESPN. Remember, the mindless hyperbole from Frosty brought about a LOT of this - he was a lot more respected back then than he is now. Add in ESPN's war in 2003-2004 against Ohio State and Jim Tressel, along with Frosty saying he wouldn't send his kids to play under Tressel and it was inevitable.

Since the SEC SEC SEC couldn't develop quarterbacks in the traditional sense at the time, the conference bought into the speed narrative and doubled-down on it. The spread. The speed. Everything. They were already whining in 2002 about how their conference schedule was so hard that no one from the SEC would be unblemished in the eyes of the BCS.

Also, at the timeframe this came about (2004-2005), USC wasn't an east coast draw for them and a lot of USC's games would be on late night ESPN or Fox Sports Net starting at 10PM.

Ignoring the fact the B1G network did it first, in 2004, ESPN didn't want to pay higher rights fees for the Big Ten broadcast rights. This forced the Big Ten to look at developing their own network which we know today as the Big Ten Network. However, once Disney bought into the SEC iz duh best hype, the E-SEC-PN network was born in theory if not in name. Their biases were completely uncovered and it became increasingly clear they were favoring the SEC SEC SEC. After that, The Longhorn Network became a thing in 2011 and once Disney was convinced they could build a conference network and it would work (not that LHN did however), the SEC and ACC channels were developed. And, irony of irony, the rights fees they balked at with the Big Ten were be pennies on the dollar today.

2006 vs Florida was the last time I can remember it being allowed for Ohio State to be "the team" without somebody attempting to shit all over us for something. Losing that one by getting absolutely dominated changed something in CFB.

Nutriaitch said:

good opening series Sweep.
yeah it was only Milwaukee, but still nice to come out looking good that first weekend

15-5 Friday night
5-3 Saturday
21-6 Sunday

Brown and Dardar each hit 2 bombs
Yorke and Arrambide each hit one (and Yorke really hit tow, but one was called foul)

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Opening weekend sweeps are always nice

good opening series Sweep.
yeah it was only Milwaukee, but still nice to come out looking good that first weekend

15-5 Friday night
5-3 Saturday
21-6 Sunday

Brown and Dardar each hit 2 bombs
Yorke and Arrambide each hit one (and Yorke really hit tow, but one was called foul)

Thought these were cool when I was little as they were a special treat. I think I will stay away from their return.

I didn't start following CFB as heavily until this century. I wouldn't change anything in the Cooper era since more wins might butterfly effect him into coaching longer and not starting the modern era of Buckeye domination. The Florida loss for the championship comes to mind since it was for a ring. Outside of that I'd love for Stroud to have a pair of gold pants over the cheaters.

‘76 or ‘06 were the most painful by a significant amount for me (my fandom started around ‘75). I would probably pick ‘06 just because it’s more recent.

Great question. I'd have a tough time choosing amongst these:
1995 cheaters
1996 cheaters
2021 cheaters
2022 cheaters
2023 cheaters
2024 cheaters (but this may be the first on the list to get cut)

Others I would consider:
1998 Sparty
2005 Penn State (the Rail)
2016 Clemson
2020 Bama
2022 Georgia
2025 Miami

buckeyemania11 said:

I WANT the program to succeed but from my observation Diebler just isn't very good as a coach. If you aren't gonna pony up big money you need a coach who can coach his ass off and IMO at this moment Diebler has not shown that he is that guy. I understand they probably aren't going to get some big name hire and there are no assurances they will "upgrade" but you at least gotta try. Give him 1 more year but if he doesn't somewhat comfortably get into the tourney next season it's time to move on and try someone else.

No Diebler in the grand scheme is not directly the problem of why the program is swimming in mediocrity, but unless he shows something significantly different next season you 100% move on and try someone else. I just don't see the justification of sticking with a guy who's not getting it done for 4-5-6 years and hoping maybe there's finally a spark. That'll just bury the program further.

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NIL has Diebler at a huge disadvantage compared with teams like UM. If you can't see that and recognize there is something there that is very real and holding him back, you're just being willfully ignorant. I do believe there will be some more funds for next season - it may be they will still be behind top programs by a significant amount, but it should be different from the way they were truly held back by the university last offseason. You want to pin Diebler to a team that OSU hasn't invested competitive resources in, as if its mainly his fault, and it's wrong.

Tomateaux Quinoa Gumbeaux said:

It’s almost the equivalent of making a gumbo and NOT adding tomato to it!

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Considering I’ve never done either, I’ll consider adding both to my todo list in retirement. Not sure if I’ll get to it, but I’ll add em both to the list.

Absolutely love this man’s enthusiasm for how elite is the state of NCAA division 1 tennis.
Last question, If Tucker is right, the doubles point will decide the winner this week.

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Chipped in what I could for now, hopefully I'll be able to give a lot more here soon.