buckeyemania11 said:

This goes beyond Holtmann. They completely botched the Matta situation too. It was time to move on but they did it in about the worst way possible. That leads to Holtmann and then the inexplicable Holtmann extension that probably led the University to care about spending when it comes to basketball even less. Gene Smith really screwed us here.

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At the time, he was winning at a 65-67% clip and making the tournament every year. Literally no AD on the planet is letting the coach walk in that situation - edit to add - and this ignores the global pandemic we were still sorta in at the time.

I get you hate the coaching decisions but let's at least try to be honest about the context here.

Wingate1217 said:

32 ft to 9…..what in the heck have we done to piss off the refs? I would like to know the stats on free throws this year home and away…..

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That illustrates the lack of movement on offense. No one is cutting to the basket and putting the defense in bad spots other than Bruce and he gets hip-checked every time he enters the lane.

Up 6-3 top 8

Mike80 said:

I think they should have waited until that next off-season to fire Holtmann really. Doing it in-season allowed for the dead cat bounce that got Diebler the job.

This is ignoring the fact that Holtmann was winning at a percentage higher than the program's all-time after. Diebler is as well. Sadly, unless a fundamental change happens in the AD offense in terms of where it wants its basketball program to be, this is what this program has been for the majority of the modern era....and right now the Big Ten is as tough as it's ever been historically. Bad time to run the best coach the program has ever seen out of town (Matta) and then pretend that the program will just continue along like it had been....

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This goes beyond Holtmann. They completely botched the Matta situation too. It was time to move on but they did it in about the worst way possible. That leads to Holtmann and then the inexplicable Holtmann extension that probably led the University to care about spending when it comes to basketball even less. Gene Smith really screwed us here.

GreenwoodBuck said:

Defend the coach all you want. This team has enough talent to have a better record than they have.

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Disagree.

This team is what it is.

buckeyemania11 said:

It's 100% on the university. They made the lazy horizon league level move of promoting the assistant who was under the guy they just fired. Diebler is in over his head but it's it's not particularly his fault since he shoulda never gotten the job to begin with

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I think they should have waited until that next off-season to fire Holtmann really. Doing it in-season allowed for the dead cat bounce that got Diebler the job.

This is ignoring the fact that Holtmann was winning at a percentage higher than the program's all-time after. Diebler is as well. Sadly, unless a fundamental change happens in the AD offense in terms of where it wants its basketball program to be, this is what this program has been for the majority of the modern era....and right now the Big Ten is as tough as it's ever been historically. Bad time to run the best coach the program has ever seen out of town (Matta) and then pretend that the program will just continue along like it had been....

Defend the coach all you want. This team has enough talent to have a better record than they have. Royal and Tilly have absolutely regressed as the season has went on. That’s coaching. This team lacks the fundamentals of simple dribble drive and pick, screen and roll, etc…That is coaching. This team constantly gets screwed by the refs. That’s coaching. Gene Keady or Bob Knight, or rat face, any of those coaches would not let refs constantly fuck their teams like our coach does. I would’ve had at least one tech tonight. And yes it would’ve been warranted. I’m tired of getting screwed by piss poor officiating! Virginia rode us all game full court, hand checked, body checked, and not a damn thing called. Absolute bullshit!!

1995 scUM. Set the stage for the subsequent agonies. But the one game in any Ohio State sport I’d change is the Sweet 16 loss to Kentucky when, for the only time in my life, Ohio State clearly had the best men’s hoops team in the country.

32 ft to 9…..what in the heck have we done to piss off the refs? I would like to know the stats on free throws this year home and away…..

Jagdaddy said:

I’d actually say that you’re both right. Diebler’s getting less to work with and doing less with it.

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I wouldn't say less. I'd say not enough.

But that comes with a huge caveat that I think this roster is a lot closer to Maryland or Ped State talent-wise than TCUN/Sparty/Illinois/etc....they're in the middle of the pack but I think this group has actually overachieved at this point in time.

Mike80 said:

It's the chicken or the egg.

You want a good coach? You better spend money to get one - and not just his salary.

You want mediocre basketball, use the current team's struggles as an excuse and then nothing changes.

Scared money don't make money.

Bitching about Diebler is about as lazy as Royal going after that loose ball. Dig deeper.

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It's 100% on the university. They made the lazy horizon league level move of promoting the assistant who was under the guy they just fired. Diebler is in over his head but it's it's not particularly his fault since he shoulda never gotten the job to begin with

Virginia inbounds play, excellent. Snows the difference between a good coach and Diebler

buckeyemania11 said:

Who's gonna want to give their money to a program that makes low major level moves when it comes to finding their head coach?

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It's the chicken or the egg.

You want a good coach? You better spend money to get one - and not just his salary.

You want mediocre basketball, use the current team's struggles as an excuse and then nothing changes.

Scared money don't make money.

Bitching about Diebler is about as lazy as Royal going after that loose ball. Dig deeper.

buckeyemania11 said:

So tired of mediocre basketball. This is the product you get when you just hand the keys to an assistant of the guy you just fired

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Mike80 said:

No, this is what you get when you don't spend money on a program in a sport where spending money keeps up with the Joneses....

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I’d actually say that you’re both right. Diebler’s getting less to work with and doing less with it.

Felt like a tournament game, very winnable despite missing Mobley.

Same ole story in the end.

Mike80 said:

No, this is what you get when you don't spend money on a program in a sport where spending money keeps up with the Joneses....

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Who's gonna want to give their money to a program that makes low major level moves when it comes to finding their head coach?

Well they missed a ton of FT's to end the game but Ohio State was horrible down the stretch and could not capitilize

Now the refs won’t call the foul when we are trying to foul….

buckeyemania11 said:

So tired of mediocre basketball. This is the product you get when you just hand the keys to an assistant of the guy you just fired

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No, this is what you get when you don't spend money on a program in a sport where spending money keeps up with the Joneses....

So tired of mediocre basketball. This is the product you get when you just hand the keys to an assistant of the guy you just fired

Needed Bynum to move, try to get open or something?

Sigh

Royal didn't need to foul there. Had him trapped.

Wtf royal…. You had him in the corner…