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Zach Smith (Official Thread)

  • His wide receiver unit has produced three team captains: Brown, Spencer and Miller
Miller being a captain shouldn't be in his claim to fame section.

Since we're in a speculating mood, it could just as easily be because of lack of faith in the quarterback play.
Or playcalling.

I think the jury is out here - it's too difficult to tell with certainty from the TV broadcasts what exactly is going on with the receivers. Is it routes? Timing with QB, lack of player development, play calling, etc.? I don't think any of us can really tell without film of the wideouts.

I understand Smith is a top tier recruiter and we have some young guns in his room that should be standouts. For those reasons, I am willing to wait & see. If we miss on/don't develop the up & coming flankers, then I will grab my pitchfork and join you all.
 
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Here's my question- is it WR development or the fact that we haven't brought in true WRs to date and have actually tried to build our own out of speedsters? WR coaches sure look good when they have actual real WRs to work with. Heck, I could coach DPJ into Heisman talk.
 
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Here is my take, not that anyone gives a flying fart. I have not exactly been a huge Smith fan because I do think some of his tweets have been slightly past stupid. But, in regards to that guys opinion, maybe Brown and Marshall felt they were developed enough BECAUSE of Smith that they were ready for the league?

I put zero accountability on Smith for any offensive woes, unless I find out that he had any amount of actual responsibility for actually developing the pass attack.

My gut is, like most places, Smith is just a WR coach. Why does my gut feel that way? Look at his salary. He isn't get paid to develop the passing attack. Maybe he has a small amount of input, but I highly doubt it.

His job is to make sure the guys are learning subtleties, technique, etc. and develop relationships with the WR group and implement Urbans culture. Being a WR coach is not rocket science, and there is no doubt in my mind he understands what to look for in drills etc since he has learned himself from some very good receivers that have had success in the NFL.

I also do not agree with the "you have to recruit a kid that played WR in college and not an athlete". You can either catch a football or not. You can improve your catching ability, but if you can catch you can play receiver and if you can't you play DB. Every single one of these guys are fast. Every single one of these guys can make a cut. Every single one of these guys can make a fake. Obviously some are faster, shiftier, etc. but it is nothing magical about running a route. All of these guys have body control. All of these guys can be taught to go after and high point a ball. These guys are athletes. Most of them are very good basketball players too. There is no such thing as a "true WR" in my opinion. Look at Pryor. Look at Miller. Both QBs that are now playing WR in the most elite league in the world.
 
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Here is my take, not that anyone gives a flying fart. I have not exactly been a huge Smith fan because I do think some of his tweets have been slightly past stupid. But, in regards to that guys opinion, maybe Brown and Marshall felt they were developed enough BECAUSE of Smith that they were ready for the league?

I put zero accountability on Smith for any offensive woes, unless I find out that he had any amount of actual responsibility for actually developing the pass attack.

My gut is, like most places, Smith is just a WR coach. Why does my gut feel that way? Look at his salary. He isn't get paid to develop the passing attack. Maybe he has a small amount of input, but I highly doubt it.

His job is to make sure the guys are learning subtleties, technique, etc. and develop relationships with the WR group and implement Urbans culture. Being a WR coach is not rocket science, and there is no doubt in my mind he understands what to look for in drills etc since he has learned himself from some very good receivers that have had success in the NFL.

I also do not agree with the "you have to recruit a kid that played WR in college and not an athlete". You can either catch a football or not. You can improve your catching ability, but if you can catch you can play receiver and if you can't you play DB. Every single one of these guys are fast. Every single one of these guys can make a cut. Every single one of these guys can make a fake. Obviously some are faster, shiftier, etc. but it is nothing magical about running a route. All of these guys have body control. All of these guys can be taught to go after and high point a ball. These guys are athletes. Most of them are very good basketball players too. There is no such thing as a "true WR" in my opinion. Look at Pryor. Look at Miller. Both QBs that are now playing WR in the most elite league in the world.
I agree fully with your statement. And I was thinking the same, in why does coach Smith get so much coaching flack? He recruits at a high level and coaches up top talent, he can't play for these guys too! As I recall, there were a large number of drops by our so called "true" WRs just as there were from the athletes. There comes a point when there needs to be some accountability on the players, and fans can't keep calling for the firing of every single coach on the team. Maybe some guys don't love football, and don't practice their craft as much as others. Maybe they peaked in HS. I don't care if an athlete or true WR comes to OSU as long as they can catch the ball consistently and score. I saw a former walk on score a game winning and legacy setting TD last night for Clemson, and few would say that he's more talented than most WRs on our roster, but he did his job. The problem most of our wrs have. It had nothing to do with his position coach, it had to do with him stepping up, and that's something most of our WRs didn't do this year.
 
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So it's the players fault?
At what point does the coach "have some accountability"?
I'm saying that its on them both, but the players PLAY! Everyone wants to fire the coach, because that's what fans always want. But sometimes the players don't step up. It happens. Funny how you see former players coming to tweet and complain about the play calling but not one former WR has anything bad to say about Smith... At what point do the people who have to actual make plays get held accountable?
 
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So it's the players fault?
At what point does the coach "have some accountability"?
I know you all get tired of me saying it, but to me, the coaches have 90% of the blame for the WRs not producing. BUT, I am not laying the 90% on Smith, I lay it on the offensive scheme and play calling.

When first year coach Jim Leonard is astonished and makes fun of your offense, you can't put that on the players. He coached his DBs up to outplay our guys. Our guys were put in positions to fail.

The reason Renfroe scored was not his superior talent or his incredible ability to get open. He scored because the offensive coaches lined him up in a position to take advantage of the D he was getting ready to see, ran a perfect pick because they practiced the crap out of how to execute the pick perfectly, because they know what it should look like and what to expect, hence, Renfroe was WIDE ASS OPEN. I give 90% of that credit to the offensive staff and the play call, 10% to Renfroe for doing his job which becomes easy because the coaching staff put him in a position to succeed.

We would have tried to run some dumbass fade there or worse a QB draw. Both of which the D would have been anticipating and made Prince look like he can't block.
 
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http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/05/ohi...e-6-lonzo-logo-bbb-495-shoes-big-baller-brand

LaVar Ball’s Big Baller Brand unveiled expensive $495 shoes for Lonzo on Thursday, which were promptly roasted by Twitter.

Along with the signature shoes, the BBB ZO2 sneakers had a new logo for Lonzo. The logo, which was surprisingly decent, caught the attention of Ohio State wide receivers coach Zach Smith. And for good reason, his logo for Zone 6 — a nickname for the Ohio State receivers — has a striking resemblance to Lonzo’s logo.
 
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OHIO STATE WIDE RECEIVERS COACH ZACH SMITH TO MAKE $300K BASE SALARY IN 2017 AS PART OF 1-YEAR CONTRACT

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Ohio State's wide receivers coach is set to receive $300,000 in base salary for the 2017 football season, according to his latest contract obtained by Eleven Warriors. Smith made slightly more than $230,000 last season with the Buckeyes.

Entire article: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...ase-salary-in-2017-as-part-of-1-year-contract
 
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OHIO STATE WIDE RECEIVERS COACH ZACH SMITH TO MAKE $300K BASE SALARY IN 2017 AS PART OF 1-YEAR CONTRACT

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Ohio State's wide receivers coach is set to receive $300,000 in base salary for the 2017 football season, according to his latest contract obtained by Eleven Warriors. Smith made slightly more than $230,000 last season with the Buckeyes.

Entire article: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...ase-salary-in-2017-as-part-of-1-year-contract
Doubt he can even afford a high-end happy hour at that salary!
 
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