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Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

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strohs;1930514; said:
I'm not dismissing anything, he should have (or the compliance department should have) absolutely known what was going on. But the article brings no new revelations and all in all reads like writer has a vendetta against JT and Ohio State. In other words, its crap.
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jeez, if you do not see LOIC in that article then you have the scarlet colored glasses on. I would say, just as others have that when Smith told us the tats were an isolated incident but a quick hit journalist finds 20 more...thats a big fucking deal. What...do we have no fucking compliance at all????
 
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Oh8ch;1930528; said:
I wish I could share in the opinion that the SI Article is not that big of a deal.

What I read is this: OSU did a supposed investigation of the tattoo parlor activity and reported to the NCAA that only six players were involved. SI portrays ongoing and egregious activity at the parlor as an open secret.

The critical questions are 1) did this activity take place and 2) should OSU have known.

If you don't answer at least "probably" to both of those questions I think you have your head in the sand.

The NCAA doesn't have to be convinced that all of this story is correct. IMO the simple fact that OSU should have known and reported any of it is sufficient to build a case for failure to monitor.
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If OSU reported every allegation of cheating then there would be no end to the reports of cheating. SI did not uncover any hard evidence. Just hearsay. An investigation by the university should report evidence, but a magazine article does not have any of those limitations. Do you seriously want Ohio State to report to the NCAA there is cheating going on every time a 3 time felon states some players went into a tattoo parlor? Players are probably not going to rat themselves out to the university. Only when they are done playing and want some pub in SI will they talk. What in this article was Ohio State supposed to report? Hey, some random guys claim players might have gotten tattoos for memorabilia. We have no proof, but please NCAA, hit us with sanctions anyway because we like to destroy our football program with hearsay.

The big issue is the federal investigation that led to specific proof and Tressel hid it. Other than that, I have yet to see anything come out Ohio State should have reported. Perhaps they could have been better at policing the players, but there is nothing they needed to report to the NCAA.

Don't get me wrong, the issues that already existed are probably enough for big sanctions. Yet this article didn't add anything I think the university needed to report.
 
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Oh8ch;1930546; said:
I think you may be overestimating what it takes to bring a program to its knees.
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Not at all. I had accepted that defeat long before this article.

A program like The Ohio State University is predicated on image. That was torn down when the Yahoo story leaked.

Practically, however... we're not talking SMU, Miami, Florida State here. What we're dealing with seems much more isolated and far less arrogant. Irresponsible none-the-less, but to accept the label that the program is on the same page as them is ignorant.
 
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Thump said:
That noise you hear is the collective sigh of big-time programs around the nation hitting their knees and praying to the the big man upstairs that this happened to OSU and not them.

The price of success is getting steep.
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Yep, been texting a good buddy of mine who wanted to discuss the article.

I just said every athletic department across the country is covering their tracks as we speak. We'll be the poster child for the next couple years, before it happens again.
 
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stowfan;1930532; said:
Earlier today you posted; we were going to be hit harder than USC, could I ask why?
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Well two reasons, first the story illustrates that the school compliance is either negligent or ignorant of the players comings and goings. For a issue to last 8 years without anyone noticing is disturbing.

second the USC stuff was isolated on Reggie Bush and Bush only. The NCAA really hit USC hard because of the school lack of transparency and the fact that they could tie a coach to Bush's behavior and the lack of action, the coach (McNair) was aware of Bush's wrong doing and failed to report it to anyone and Reggie kept playing.

Now we have a similar story tying our entire institution to a lack of action and failure to be totally transparent. Including playing the tat 5 or whatever an entire season without action, as well as other crap that went on for years.

PS. Can't wait for the followup stories on the car shit.
 
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There are some serious allegations in the article. There are also some aspects of it that seemed to be to be mostly character assassination, and some things that were fairly laughable, like the claim that JT rigged raffles at youth camps back in the mid-1980s.
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I actually think the author did a good job of setting things up for his intended audience (which is not the knowledgeable OSU fan). He first painted JT as someone whose supposed character should be questioned (no solid proof, which leaves room for doubt, but the case was sufficient to its purpose). He then presented substantial evidence to support one case of feigned ignorance/lying which, if true, is enough to bring the man and the program down.

And here we are trying to argue whether this former player or that felon is telling the truth. Nobody not wearing S&G is bothering with that.

If the subject of the article were Pete Carrol I would be dancing with glee.
 
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matcar;1930547; said:
jeez, if you do not see LOIC in that article then you have the scarlet colored glasses on. I would say, just as others have that when Smith told us the tats were an isolated incident but a quick hit journalist finds 20 more...thats a big [censored]ing deal. What...do we have no [censored]ing compliance at all????
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Assume for a moment that OSU asked the players with lots of tats where they got them and how they paid for them. Would the NCAA say that isn't enough? Has the NCAA ever cracked down on a school for failing to interview inmates at prisons? I am not sure that the NCAA expects a school to be the equivalent of an investigative reporter in this regard; the NCAA deals in knowns more than unknowns.
 
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unionfutura;1930553; said:
Well two reasons, first the story illustrates that the school compliance is either negligent or ignorant of the players comings and goings. For a issue to last 8 years without anyone noticing is disturbing.

second the USC stuff was isolated on Reggie Bush and Bush only. The NCAA really hit USC hard because of the school lack of transparency and the fact that they could tie a coach to Bush's behavior and the lack of action, the coach (McNair) was aware of Bush's wrong doing and failed to report it to anyone and Reggie kept playing.

Now we have a similar story tying our entire institution to a lack of action and failure to be totally transparent. Including playing the tat 5 or whatever an entire season without action, as well as other crap that went on for years.

PS. Can't wait for the followup stories on the car [Mark May].
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I agree with pretty much all of this. I've stayed mostly silent on this whole fiasco because, quite frankly, I believed most of it, and second, because I felt all along we were whistling past the graveyard hoping to not get hammered. Something stunk, and as more and more kept coming out, it became more and more clear there was the dreaded "atmosphere of noncompliance" going on. That's no the fault of any one person, rather, there is a lot of blame to go around. Ultimately, one man is responsible for overseeing the department, and I cannot fathom a situation that he survives this. Given how it's been handled from the start, I take some solace in that. JT was the first domino to fall because he had to be, but more are coming.

I've heard, and said, many times over the past few years that we should sit back and relish the success we were experiencing because you never know when it could end. I never suspected it would end with the resounding thud it looks like it's going to. OSU football will be back, but I suspect it's gonna be a tough mountain to climb.
 
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For what its worth... i've seen a few tweets from The Bank stating that some of the newly accused stating innocence.. going so far as to find a picture of Storm from this year (granted he's in uniform so you never know) showing no visible tattoos... who knows.
 
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unionfutura;1930553; said:
Well two reasons, first the story illustrates that the school compliance is either negligent or ignorant of the players comings and goings. For a issue to last 8 years without anyone noticing is disturbing.

second the USC stuff was isolated on Reggie Bush and Bush only. The NCAA really hit USC hard because of the school lack of transparency and the fact that they could tie a coach to Bush's behavior and the lack of action, the coach (McNair) was aware of Bush's wrong doing and failed to report it to anyone and Reggie kept playing.

Now we have a similar story tying our entire institution to a lack of action and failure to be totally transparent. Including playing the tat 5 or whatever an entire season without action, as well as other crap that went on for years.

PS. Can't wait for the followup stories on the car shit.
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I believe, at least Dwayne Jarrett was also involved. I'm not saying all of this is nothing, but I think if you spent six weeks, and contacted enough former players you would find 28 players in any program that have had their hands out. OSU players are not the only ones I seen with expensive tattoos.
 
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matcar;1930547; said:
jeez, if you do not see LOIC in that article then you have the scarlet colored glasses on. I would say, just as others have that when Smith told us the tats were an isolated incident but a quick hit journalist finds 20 more...thats a big fucking deal. What...do we have no fucking compliance at all????
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I didn't have time to read the article with great detail, but I did not see any hard evidence.

http://photo.the-ozone.net/details....Number=3&ReturnRowCount=12&ReturnPageNumber=1

One of the name's mentioned.

EDIT: I guess he could've receive cash or weed. Maybe it didn't specify tattoos for storm.
 
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