Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

[BB73]

For what its worth... i've seen a few tweets from The Bank stating that some of the newly accused stating innocence.. going so far as to find a picture of Storm from this year (granted he's in uniform so you never know) showing no visible tattoos... who knows.

If some of those guys named in the article never got tats at either of the CBus places mentioned, I'm expecting Herbie to make an apology about it on national TV in order to balance the slate.

 

[Bill Lucas]

OJ Mayo was bought and paid for also. It was more than just Bush and football with USC.

And tennis. They got LOIC at least partially because it spanned multiple sports.

 

[AuTX Buckeye]

If some of those guys named in the article never got tats at either of the CBus places mentioned, I'm expecting Herbie to make an apology about it on national TV in order to balance the slate.

Yeah... i've always wondered.. I know its hard to win a Libel case.. but if I was Brewster or anyone else who didn't. I woulda gone all Lance Armstrong on them and sued the [Mark May] out of him.

 

[BuckShot63]

If you were accused of anything based on the quantity and quality of evidence found in the SI article would you think it reasonable? Obviously, an accusation wouldn't make the accused happy, but would the accused be able to look at that evidence and say " yes, that's enough solid evidence to make someone think I did that thing of which I am accused."

 

[SloopyHangOn]

If you were accused of anything based on the quantity and quality of evidence found in the SI article would you think it reasonable? Obviously, an accusation wouldn't make the accused happy, but would the accused be able to look at that evidence and say " yes, that's enough solid evidence to make someone think I did that thing of which I am accused."

I think that's kind of the consensus.

If the article's allegations can be corroborated then that's pretty awful. If not, then we're just looking at a well written assassination.

 

[Buckeye86]

Yeah... i've always wondered.. I know its hard to win a Liable case.. but if I was Brewster or anyone else who didn't. I woulda gone all Lance Armstrong on them and sued the shit out of him.

If some of the accusations are proven to be 100% false, even if it is only for a handful of players named, that would bring the reliability of all of the accusations into question. In the absence of hard evidence, which has seemingly yet to be produced by SI or the NCAA, it seems like this all may be a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and furry, signifying nothing.

Then again, if I have proven anything over the past few hours, it is that I am a naive and optimistic fool.

 

[BearBuck27]

maybe the tattoo is somewhere else other then his arms

Very possible. Bank has also tweeted that Storm has no tattoos. Who knows? Supposedly Simon has only the two that he came here with from high school. Who knows?

I think part of USC's problem was that it spanned multiple sports. I still haven't seen the hard facts for the NCAA to prove any of this. Maybe they do. Who knows?

One thing I do know is, from the first day I stepped on campus, the one thing I didn't want the NCAA to investigate is the cars. Now they are. Personally, I don't see anything from this article that really well end terribly for OSU because I'm not sure the NCAA can really prove much from it.

However, if they begin a mass car investigation, well...who knows.

 

[Bucklion]

If some of those guys named in the article never got tats at either of the CBus places mentioned, I'm expecting Herbie to make an apology about it on national TV in order to balance the slate.

You'll be waiting a long fucking time for him to admit he was wrong about anything.

 

[RB07OSU]

"But like Hayes, who was fired after hitting a Clemson player during the 1978 Gator Bowl, Tressel exits ignominiously, all of his many accomplishments tarnished."

Says who? That is not my impression of Woody, nor will it be the legacy of JT in my mind. Why this is considered journalism and not a pure opinion column is beyond me. And he also seems to think that "weeks of bad press" warrants firing a coach. How self righteous can Dohrman get? I hope someone launches an investigation into his personal life and finds his every mistake.

 

[stowfan]

I wonder if it was Conley who accused JT of rigging drawings?

 

[Bucklion]

It's hard to digest all this today, but I think we want everything out, the NCAA to make their ruling, and then to see who sticks with the program (fans, players, coaches, everything) to see us get back to where we want to be. It will be a long, slow, painful process, but if self presevation is an instinct that Gee, Smith, and the compliance department possess, they had best get to complete transparency and get to it now.

 

[Bucklion]

"But like Hayes, who was fired after hitting a Clemson player during the 1978 Gator Bowl, Tressel exits ignominiously, all of his many accomplishments tarnished."

Says who? That is not my impression of Woody, nor will it be the legacy of JT in my mind. Why this is considered journalism and not a pure opinion column is beyond me. And he also seems to think that "weeks of bad press" warrants firing a coach. How self righteous can Dohrman get? I hope someone launches an investigation into his personal life and finds his every mistake.

Nationally it will, just like it has with Woody. It's unfortunate the number of people under the age of, oh, 40 or so, when you mention Coach Hayes and all they say is "Oh, the guy who decked the opposing player, right?"

 

[BuckShot63]

I think that's kind of the consensus.

If the article's allegations can be corroborated then that's pretty awful. If not, then we're just looking at a well written assassination.

At this point, with all of the crowing about this article, don't we have to believe that if there was corroboration to SI's accusations that they would have included it in the article? I don't think that article meets the evidence threshold of "probable cause" let alone "proof beyond a reasonable doubt".

 

[Darkmyst]

At this point, with all of the crowing about this article, don't we have to believe that if there was corroboration to SI's accusations that they would have included it in the article? I don't think that article meets the evidence threshold of "probable cause" let alone "proof beyond a reasonable doubt".

Unfortunately neither of those are standards the NCAA is bound to adhere to.

 

[jrichosu1]

If anything there are parts in the article that clearly shows OSU is NOT at fault like for example

Ohio State's conclusion that only six players broke the rules is based in part on a list of the items the Department of Justice seized in raids of Fine Line Ink and Rife's home on May 1, 2010. But that list, which mentioned 42 football-related items that Rife bought, received or acquired in trades from players, covered only a small fraction of what he got from the Buckeyes, Ellis says. "Eddie had storage units all over town," he says, "and he also sold some stuff off to people." ​

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/magazine/05/30/jim.tressel/index.html#ixzz1NtYSYXIw​

So Ohio St took actions on the items they had, but there is way more in other "storage units", well then when these at the moment fictious units become fact Ohio St will take action on those items, kinda hard though to toke action on stuff in a storage unit somewhere in town.​

and my personal favorite​

Rose has no regrets. "I knew how much money that the school was making," he says. "I always heard about how Ohio State had the biggest Nike budget. I was struggling, my mom was struggling. ... It was just something that I had to do. I was in a hard spot. ... [Other] guys were doing it for the same reasons. The university doesn't really help.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/magazine/05/30/jim.tressel/index.html#ixzz1NtZC1L6u​

Rose just said the university was NOT paying him or hooking him up, so explain to me how this is a lack of institutional control again like the writer says should happen? Im sorry but no matter how critical you are, the compliance department is not a bunch of private investigators who can police all the people in Columbus, OH and follow the players whereever they go. It is very easy to me to see how they could not know about this. Ohio St should get nothing near what USC recieved as they have complied with the NCAA every step of the way as soon as they found out about everything so far including Tress's emails (just because you thought the intial punishment was weak does not mean they did not comply) which USC did not. Tressel screwed up and I honestly dont think he should have lost his job over it, but he did, and OSU has done what they should have done in my opinion every step of the way.​

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