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Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

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MaxBuck;1929163; said:
Maybe you better hold off a bit before letting loose with both barrels. It seems to me like there is plenty of room for differing interpretations here, and by all accounts Doug Archie is a very conscientious and capable guy.

Interestingly enough, on another (non-OSU board) the response to this was "not being clear/forthright/honest with the press is different than not doing so with the NCAA".

My IMHO is that we've already lost the case in the court of public opinion- that, in spite of what happens next, there are people who will think that the green/black leaves on the helmet are to signify how many kilos of weed that player has sold this week. Shoot, we're still digging out from the Maurice Clarett investigation, and that found nothing. That's something I wish we could fix, but in the immediate it's beyond our ability to do so.

I'm not naive (well, maybe in other topics), and I know that there are problems. I also believe that these need to be addressed, and am looking forward to them being corrected. However, I'm awaiting the NCAA's insight into what these are and how the correction happens, rather than resting on other fans and news organizations assuring me that they know what needs to be done.

This is not intended as a response to any particular Buckeye and/or BP member, especially one that I tend to agree with more often than not. It's just me stating my belief that the NCAA will have the say in this that matters to me.
 
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borrowed... SIAP

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Re: "One of my sources talked to Dohrmann yesterday, I actually had this guy talk to Dohrmann to fish about what the article is going to be about for me. So this is from Dohrmann, not from me, this is what I heard. Dohrmann told this guy that SI executive editors are salivating over the article. The quote was [from the source] ?it?s going to be bad for Tress?it?s something new and it?s big-time, it goes back to when Tress was at Youngstown.? I was told that it?s all new stuff."

Whoopie shit, what Tressel did at Youngstown State (over 10 years ago) has no bearing what so ever on the current NCAA investigation of the Ohio State football program.

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Re: I should clarify that the NCAA has not found any new violations, nor have I heard that they will. If these types of things were up to the NCAA to uncover, nothing would ever be found. Leaving investigations entirely in the hands of the NCAA is like building your case on Stevie Wonder identifying a criminal in a police lineup.

This is good to hear.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...tressel-investigation-news-rumors-and-updates
 
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OSU_Buckguy;1929146; said:
i'm not at all optimistic about where this situation is heading, but place me firmly in the camp of those thinking that we need much more information before making a conclusion.
Agree. As opposed to those who believe in the maxim of, "Hang 'em. Hang 'em high." Or those who believe Tressel couldn't possibly be guilty. Both extremes are merely operating from their prejudices.
 
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Re: I should clarify that the NCAA has not found any new violations, nor have I heard that they will. If these types of things were up to the NCAA to uncover, nothing would ever be found. Leaving investigations entirely in the hands of the NCAA is like building your case on Stevie Wonder identifying a criminal in a police lineup.
Well I sure as shit am glad none of these media members have decided to kick over a few rocks on Auburn's campus.
 
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ScriptOhio;1929181; said:
Re: "One of my sources talked to Dohrmann yesterday, I actually had this guy talk to Dohrmann to fish about what the article is going to be about for me. So this is from Dohrmann, not from me, this is what I heard. Dohrmann told this guy that SI executive editors are salivating over the article. The quote was [from the source] ?it?s going to be bad for Tress?it?s something new and it?s big-time, it goes back to when Tress was at Youngstown.? I was told that it?s all new stuff."

Whoopie shit, what Tressel did at Youngstown State (over 10 years ago) has no bearing what so ever on the current NCAA investigation of the Ohio State football program.

and

Re: I should clarify that the NCAA has not found any new violations, nor have I heard that they will. If these types of things were up to the NCAA to uncover, nothing would ever be found. Leaving investigations entirely in the hands of the NCAA is like building your case on Stevie Wonder identifying a criminal in a police lineup.

This is good to hear.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...tressel-investigation-news-rumors-and-updates


This is the shit Torg was saying in the radio last week then sportsbybrooks comes out and says SI doesnt even know if they have an article
 
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Re: ?Doug Archie has called me well over 50 times,? Kniffin said. ?This year alone, I?ve talked to him 25-30 times. You can print out your Verizon (phone) bills; his numbers are right there calling me.?
When asked why Archie, who did not immediately respond to voice mail messages, said he only spoke to Kniffin once and denied that the deals were approved by OSU compliance, Kniffin said, ?That?s something you?ll have to ask him. I?ve got records of it.?
Jim Lynch, of Ohio State media relations, told Sporting News: ?There was a misunderstanding with the original Dispatch story. While Doug Archie did in fact only speak to Aaron Kniffin once while he was at the first car dealership he worked at, they spoke often when Mr. Kniffin changed jobs and moved to the second dealership he worked at.?
Kniffin also says he also has a copy of an affidavit he signed for Archie detailing the sales process, and stating no NCAA violations occurred during the process. That affidavit, Kniffin says, was sent to him by Archie four days after the May 7 story appeared in The Dispatch outlining potential NCAA violations.
Kniffin says the Ohio State compliance department??either Doug Archie or Chris (Rogers)??approved every co-signer on every loan, and knew every person associated with the deals.



Sounds to me like the Dispatch misquoted (or misunderstood) the statement from the Ohio State compliance department. If the Ohio State compliance department was on top of (i.e. basically approved) every car deal then there should be no problem.

Regardless of what actually happened most people will believe until their dying day that Thaddeus Gibson paid $0 for a car because that was what was originally reported and that's what they want to believe.

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I have a question for you: Do you think that the Federal government ever paid $600 for something that looked like this?

If you answered yes, why do you think so? Ans: That's what the media reported.

Trust me on this, I worked at the Defense Construction Supply Center (here in Columbus) where the item was actually bought and (unfortunately :() was intimately involed with the situation. Here's what was reported later that never made the headlines and you probably never saw:

NAVY's $600 Toilet Seat

The P-3C Orion antisubmarine aircraft went into service in 1962. Twenty-five years later it was determined that the toilet shroud, the cover that fits over the toilet needed replacement. Since the airplane was out of production this would require new tooling to produce. These on-board toilets required a uniquely shaped, molded fiberglass shroud that had to satisfy specifications for the vibration resistance, weight, and durability. The molds had to be specially made as it had been decades since their original production. The price reflected the design work and the cost of the equipment to manufacture them. Lockheed Corp. charged $34,560 for 54 toilet covers or $640 each.
President Reagan held a televised news conference in 1987, where he held up one of these shrouds and stated: "We didn't buy any $600 toilet seat. We bought a $600 molded plastic cover for the entire toilet system." A Pentagon spokesman, Glenn Flood stated, "The original price we were charged was $640, not just for a toilet seat, but for the large molded plastic assembly covering the entire seat, tank and full toilet assembly. The seat itself cost $9 and some cents.? The supplier charged too much, and we had the amount corrected." The president of Lockheed at the time, Lawrence Kitchen, adjusted to the price to $100 each and returned $29,165. "This action is intended to put to rest an artificial issue," Kitchen stated.

And it isn't totally correct:

1. It wasn't 25 years later. it was right after the original news report.

2. It was out of production (i.e there was special setup costs for small quantity); however, Lockheed still had the tooling. They subcontracted production of the item out to a small business just outside of San Diego.

3. It wasn't molded plastic or fiberglass, it was a special polycarbinate material that could hold a mans weight and not give off toxic fumes in case of a fire, etc.

4. The P-3 lavatory shroud assembly does not cover a tank nor does it cover the seat. The seat fastens on to this assembly. This assembly basically just covers a holding bucket. The toilet on the P-3 orion does not flush.

5. This was bought "sole source" from Lockheed in accordance with an Air Force Basic Ordering Agreeement (BOA). i.e. a government procurement contract with Lockheed that established the price of anything we want to order from Lockheed based on a prenegiociated formula. After an audit Lockheed did admit that they over charged the govenment on this item. It should have cost a little over $200 (not $100) and they did refund the difference.

The bottom line is: You can't believe everything that you read in the papers or see on the news.
 
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bassbuckeye07;1929208; said:
This is the [Mark May] Torg was saying in the radio last week then sportsbybrooks comes out and says SI doesnt even know if they have an article

I think they have an article. SI's writers and interns have been crawling all over central Ohio. They are following current student athletes. They are contacting former student athletes and they are offering them money for nasty quotes. MONEY for nasty quotes. Nader told them he had all his rings and gold pants charms. Told them Jim Tressel is the best. They were back in town as late as last week trying to grill two former players to say what SI wanted, the way they wanted. I think SI is afraid to run it because it is heavy on the nasty and light on the corroboration. Libel is a near impossibility to prove regarding a public figure like Jim Tressel. However, SI's editors in my estimation are afraid of something.
 
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BuckShot63;1929215; said:
I think they have an article. SI's writers and interns have been crawling all over central Ohio. They are following current student athletes. They are contacting former student athletes and they are offering them money for nasty quotes. MONEY for nasty quotes. Nader told them he had all his rings and gold pants charms. Told them Jim Tressel is the best. They were back in town as late as last week trying to grill two former players to say what SI wanted, the way they wanted. I think SI is afraid to run it because it is heavy on the nasty and light on the corroboration. Libel is a near impossibility to prove regarding a public figure like Jim Tressel. However, SI's editors in my estimation are afraid of something.

I'd say the players should carry around a mini tape recorder or something to catch these guys pulling that shit..but then they'd probably just run a story about them getting good deals on them at radio shack..
 
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BuckShot63;1929215; said:
I think they have an article. SI's writers and interns have been crawling all over central Ohio. They are following current student athletes. They are contacting former student athletes and they are offering them money for nasty quotes. MONEY for nasty quotes. Nader told them he had all his rings and gold pants charms. Told them Jim Tressel is the best. They were back in town as late as last week trying to grill two former players to say what SI wanted, the way they wanted. I think SI is afraid to run it because it is heavy on the nasty and light on the corroboration. Libel is a near impossibility to prove regarding a public figure like Jim Tressel. However, SI's editors in my estimation are afraid of something.

They have been chasing leads everyone knows that...my feeling is they dont have shit that a student news paper hadnt already dropped...
 
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Screw SI. A college coach friend of mine said that SI has a story about the firing of Jim Tressel. He seems to think this is true because SI said it was true. SI is trying to sell copies. They are not better that Mark May spreading their flavor of foul taste and tOSU hatred. They are feeding on the negativity. This (Mark May) sounding familiar? Screw SI.
 
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