Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

[buckeyesin07]

If they are ruled to have been ineligible, then vacated wins is a possibility.

I'm sure there are fans of certain programs that would like to have an "L" erased from the records, that's for sure.

Having said that, I doubt it happens. OSU has a lot of clout with the NCAA.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. Care to explain?

 

[MolGenBuckeye]

I've thought about this a bit, and think that the head nod could be simply Tressel acknowledging the question as it might be his answering it.

If you watch him during interviews, he often will do that in order to stay engaged with the person asking the question. Heck, I do that when I'm listening to someone as well.

Just my IMO.

Yep, I was going to post the same thing about the nod based on past interviews. Regardless of the actual answer, I wouldn't see that as evidence.

 

[Gatorubet]

I've thought about this a bit, and think that the head nod could be simply Tressel acknowledging the question as it might be his answering it.

If you watch him during interviews, he often will do that in order to stay engaged with the person asking the question. Heck, I do that when I'm listening to someone as well.

Just my IMO.

Whew. Good to know. The only really bad, bad thing that could come of this is off the table if it stopped with Tress.

The NCAA thinking y'all played them is one thing, but the other is nuclear.

And, FWIW, FSU had a deal a few years back where it kept players eligible with an on-line course that was so bogus and rigged that essentially - they should not have been eligible. So wtih that eligibility problem - knowingly playing ineligible players, they just vacated some wins, with almost no scholly reductions. If that is apples to apples, I think Tress gets a few more games to sit, and y'all get a slap on the wrist scholly or two - max.

You guys ain't SMU, and never have been, so as mad as they may be, Tress and Delaney are a force that can weather the storm without serious problems. With FSU, they took Bobbah's wins away because it hurt them more than the reduced scholarships (FSU really wanted Bobbah to have the record - they did not factor on the Crypt Keeper in Happy Valley's stamina). If they wanted to be petty, they would vacate the Sugar just to let the SEC fans gig you for another year.

I'm glad to hear that his nodding was not a "yes" - most likely.

 

[MaliBuckeye]

Right, cause until now the NCAA has been a beacon of truth and justice across the corrupt landscape of CFB.

Mmmmm... tasty, tasty beacon...

 

[buckeyesin07]

I'd almost be disappointed in the NCAA if we didn't vacate 2010. How could those wins count? The players were ineligible and the only reason they weren't ruled so initially was because we lied and said we didn't know.

I don't know about that. Based on the AJ Green case, if Tress had brought everything to light in April, those players wouldn't have been ineligible for the whole season; rather, it would've been something like 4-5 games. Considering it's always the first part of the season, I could see the NCAA vacating those first few games, but definitely not the whole season.

 

[Gatorubet]

Right, cause until now the NCAA has been a beacon of truth and justice across the corrupt landscape of CFB. I'm disappointed in the NCAA regardless of their decision here, and have been for some time.

+1,000,000,000

"The NCAA is so mad at Kentucky, it's going to give Cleveland State two more years' probation."

- Jerry Tarkanian

Still a classic. And you might be able to subsitute tOSU for Kentucky and someone like Troy for Cleveland State. (meaning you are a powerful force in college sports, not that you are morally like the Cats)

 

[MaliBuckeye]

+1,000,000,000

- Jerry Tarkanian

Still a classic. And you might be able to subsitute tOSU for Kentucky and someone like Troy for Cleveland State. (meaning you are a powerful force in college sports, not that you are morally like the Cats)

Nah, leave it as it is... Kentucky's time is coming.

 

[Gatorubet]

Kentucky's time is coming.

Your typing fingers to God's eyes...

 

[matcar]

I don't know about that. Based on the AJ Green case, if Tress had brought everything to light in April, those players wouldn't have been ineligible for the whole season; rather, it would've been something like 4-5 games. Considering it's always the first part of the season, I could see the NCAA vacating those first few games, but definitely not the whole season.

Yeah, but which ones would you vacate and which ones would you not?

I'm of the belief that the only game that shouldn't be vacated is the one against Arky 'cause the NCAA certified the players as eligible.

Having said all that, I guess I don't really care if the wins are vacated or not. We all know what happened on the field....so take what you want. I always felt the same way about Reggie Bush. If they took wins away from them I just can't see it mattering because the games were already played and I don't really care much about the record books.

 

[SmoovP]

I've thought about this a bit, and think that the head nod could be simply Tressel acknowledging the question as it might be his answering it.

If you watch him during interviews, he often will do that in order to stay engaged with the person asking the question. Heck, I do that when I'm listening to someone as well.

Just my IMO.

I was just about to post this exact response.

 

[SmoovP]

I'm sure there are fans of certain programs that would like to have an "L" erased from the records, that's for sure.



I'm not sure what you mean by this. Care to explain?

I'm not sure, I don't think vacating a win by your team adds the game to the win column of the opposing team.

Th 'clout' comment is based on the perception that the big-time programs - like OSU - have more influence on the NCAA than the Northwestern State Tech's of the world.

I think one bit of evidence for that perception is that the Tat5 were allowed to play - a decision I supported mind you - in the Sugar Bowl.

The B10 Commissioner and your AD lobbied aggressively for them to be allowed to play, despite any real precedent for delaying their suspension until the following season.

That may or may not be true, but that's the general idea.

 

[MaliBuckeye]

I'm not sure, I don't think vacating a win by your team adds the game to the win column of the opposing team.

Yup. The 2665 days and counting, no matter what.

Thanks be to God.

 

[buckeyesin07]

Yeah, but which ones would you vacate and which ones would you not?

The whole "games should be vacated" idea rests on the assumption that had Tress admitted what happened in April, two OSU players (not five, as some are glossing over--not you matcar) would have been suspended. What games would they have been suspended for? That's pretty obvious based on past precedent--the NCAA begins suspensions at the beginning of the year, not in the middle. So I think if you're going to vacate wins, you take precedent based on the number of games AJ Green and other similarly situted players were suspended for, and OSU vacates the wins for those games. I'd think it would be something like the first 4-6 games of 2010, but those with more knowledge of the Green outcome can correct me. It seems pretty logical to me that this should be the approach. I don't see anything in prior NCAA precedent that would dictate that the players would have been suspended for the enitre 2010 season, so I see absolutely no logic behind OSU vacating every win from 2010.

I'm of the belief that the only game that shouldn't be vacated is the one against Arky 'cause the NCAA certified the players as eligible.

I agree.

Having said all that, I guess I don't really care if the wins are vacated or not. We all know what happened on the field....so take what you want. I always felt the same way about Reggie Bush. If they took wins away from them I just can't see it mattering because the games were already played and I don't really care much about the record books.

Not saying I disagree with you, but it's more than clear based on various comments of opposing teams fans in the past few days that they would love nothing more than to see that "L" that OSU dealt them in 2010 erased from the books.

 

[Jake]

I think I'm definitely up for a few beers tonight. All of the pretzel logic I'm reading, trying to explain/spin/rationalize things in a way that makes it all go away, is making me thirsty.

Occam's Razor, folks, or lex parsimoniae for the lawyers in the room.

 

[jlb1705]

I think I'm definitely up for a few beers tonight. All of the pretzel logic I'm reading, trying to explain/spin/rationalize things in a way that makes it all go away, is making me thirsty.

Occam's Razor, folks, or lex parsimoniae for the lawyers in the room.

This.

Coach Tressel has already broken the seal, so to speak, on whether or not he should get the benefit of the doubt in this case.

What Jake just said became reality for me once I read the emails. I think now that I've reached those conclusions I'm going to have an easier time moving forward as a fan. Unfortunately, that means I'll be moving forward with a slightly dimmer view of Coach Tressel, but it is what it is.