Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

[Diego-Bucks]

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Again, I hope that we see the last of this, and the NCAA rubber stamps the 2 game deal. (I personally think it way too light, but I do not want to be seen as advocating for more bad news for y'all - if you can see a distinction) I guess we will see.

My issue with the thoughts on the suspension is: in what past punishments has the NCAA suspended coaches from participating? There have been numerous major violations within the last decade and how many times has a coach actually been suspended? Let alone for as long or longer than 2 games?

Bruce Pearl is the only recent, non-criminal problem, that a coach was suspended, but he had a non-compliance history as did the program.

So as a lawyer, where is your precedent for increasing the suspension of Tressel for this violation? I'm not trying to be argumentative, just I'm curious why Tressel withholding some information deserves more than 2 games, but Todd McNair would have kept his job at USC until he was fired for more issues post-Reggie Bush saga, and most coaches aren't suspended for just as major of violations as Tressel.

Further, if the wins and 2010 season is vacated, then where does the punishment of 5 games for each player in 2011 fit in to that? They will all be serving time, the time deemed necessary to regain eligibility by the NCAA. So where does that leave us in regards to 2010?

If the 2010 season is vacated, then that is a punishment in regards to their being deemed retroactively ineligible, thus did they "serve the time" retroactively and then their 2011 suspensions are lifted? Highly unlikely, obviously. So... they've been punished. The 5 games per player will be the most of the similar transgressions in the past (AJ Green got 4), Tressel is suspended, which no current NCAA football coach other than Mike Locksley has been (for assault on another coach).

Not only that, but Ohio State has been self-reporting the entire time. So not only is the currently slated punishment more severe than most, but they actually need to increase it?!

How will that convince anybody within major college football to ever disclose anything to the NCAA? My understanding is, you go lighter on those that make a plea bargain, not tougher. Especially when most of the evidence and documentation is signed and delivered by the guilty party.

 

[MaliBuckeye]

My issue with the thoughts on the suspension is: in what past punishments has the NCAA suspended coaches from participating? There have been numerous major violations within the last decade and how many times has a coach actually been suspended? Let alone for as long or longer than 2 games?

May not be answering your question, but this fact from the Dispatch was interesting.

Since 2006, the NCAA has sanctioned 27 schools for violating bylaw 10.1, which requires coaches and others to be truthful and forthcoming about possible NCAA violations. Of the 12 coaches involved, only one kept his job. The others either resigned or were fired by their schools.

 

[Gatorubet]

Bruce also defended Tressel and said he was trying to protect the players the way former Ohio State coaches would have done.
"I wouldn't turn in players. I would try to help them, and coach (Woody) Hayes did the same thing."
Hayes, Bruce said, once refused to cooperate with the NCAA after it learned that the coach had given several players $20.

Um......thanks.........Earl..........I guess.

 

[Diego-Bucks]

May not be answering your question, but this fact from the Dispatch was interesting.

It is a partial answer to the question. The schools chose the "easy" way out by firing them. Thus, any punishment from the NCAA becomes moot. Obviously, often enough, major violations end up not being directly punished because the schools end up cutting ties with them.

So in particular with 10.1, there is little precedent, so lets open it up to those who had major violations and stayed as an NCAA coach.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Does anyone know if vacated wind are a real possibility here? It seems as though it would be more along the lines of more games suspended than two and possibly more money....

If I understand things correctly, it hinges on the two players named in the first email.

If they are ruled to have been ineligible, then vacated wins is a possibility.

Having said that, I doubt it happens. OSU has a lot of clout with the NCAA.

Since the NCAA already let the ineligible Tat 5 play in the Sugar Bowl, there's no way in hell that they should be able to contradict themselves and subsequently vacate our season.

 

[BayBuck]

Um......thanks.........Earl..........I guess.

You win with people.

 

[Gatorubet]

Since the NCAA already let the ineligible Tat 5 play in the Sugar Bowl, there's no way in hell that they should be able to contradict themselves and subsequently vacate our season.

Why sure there is.

First, you can vacate wins for knowingly playing ineligible players. The Tat 5 agreement that allowed them to play in the bowl game was based upon the premise that y'all did not know about it until December, and then used all due haste to report it.

Also, if the basis for the decision was obtained by fraud on tOSU's part, then it might not be binding. I mean, I have no idea if the NCAA rules provide for that... But the law in general is chock full of doctrines and statutes that say that an agreement that is entered into because of fraud on the part of one of the parties can be vitiated because of the fraud. Like I say, the NCAA can only do so if they have some sort of "yeah - but you lied to us" rule that lets them revisit deals already struck. Maybe they stick to the old deal, but then file a brand new charge of lying to them when that happens, I do not know.

 

[GatorINcbus]

Important Note

I think it's important to note that the SEC suspended Bruce Pearl.

I'm a long time reader, but first time poster. As a Gator living in Columbus and having seen quite a few college football towns, I?ve really come to respect the Buckeyes. First and foremost, I've come to enjoy the high-mindedness of the entire Buckeye community. First class fans, that really -know- their football, which makes for great conversation on Saturdays during the fall.

From the outside looking in, I think it's important to remember that there is and was nothing wrong with buying into everything Tressel preached. I'm not going to pass judgment on this current situation, but as a fan base I hope you're not hanging your heads and feeling rudderless. I believe Tressel reflected the ideals of the community, as much as he held himself out to be of those ideals. Even if mistakes were made, I think its important to recognize that no one man's decisions reflect the nature of an entire community.

Columbus is a special place. It takes a certain types of character to deal with our town's variable weather, gray skies and tough news about its coach. I know this situation has been forced upon you, but even listening to 97.1 as fans you're really handling things with class.

Good Luck

 

[alexhortdog95]

In looking at that link, this says it all:

"Since 2006, the NCAA has sanctioned 27 schools for violating bylaw 10.1, which requires coaches and others to be truthful and forthcoming about possible NCAA violations. Of the 12 coaches involved, only one kept his job. The others either resigned or were fired by their schools.

Former men's basketball coach Jim O'Brien, one of his assistant coaches and former football running back Maurice Clarett each faced unethical-conduct charges by the NCAA. It cost all of them their careers at Ohio State."

Even though they didn't fire him yet, they still may have no choice....

 

[scarletmike]

Cicero, 54, issued a statement Wednesday said that he and Tressel exchanged e-mails and an attorney for the Ohio State University Athletic Department contacted him to meet with university representatives and NCAA investigators about the e-mails.

This sentence really sticks out to me. When was this? Did this happen recently after they discovered, or was someone else actually privy to the information before/during the season? For me, this is a big question that needs answering. He very well could have been contacted by the tOSU attorney without them having already notified the NCAA if this indeed happened before the self-report. This is a big question for me personally, although it may not be in the grand scheme of things.

 

[alexhortdog95]

This sentence really sticks out to me. When was this? Did this happen recently after they discovered, or was someone else actually privy to the information before/during the season? For me, this is a big question that needs answering. He very well could have been contacted by the tOSU attorney without them having already notified the NCAA if this indeed happened before the self-report. This is a big question for me personally, although it may not be in the grand scheme of things.

There's no way on this EARTH that Coach Tressel didn't notify someone.

Here's something else to consider - maybe he DID notify someone in charge...but THEY chose to sit on the emails (or told him to do so).

I just can't see him making this decision all on his own without understanding what the reprocussions would be (which he already understood) and how it would affect his football team and the players involved.

 

[scarletmike]

That's what I keep coming back to in my mind. I just can't get myself to accept the idea that JT kept this from absolutely everyone else, or at least anyone that was entirely outside the Athletic Department/football program for that long. Especially when multiple players are involved. There's still something awfully fishy-smelling around this whole thing. Someone else surely had to know something, but thats my IMO.

 

[alexhortdog95]

One other thing to note in the letter that tOSU sent to the NCAA:

The school states that they happened to FIND the email, and went looking for more. He didn't tell them about the email.

 

[Bucklion]

Why sure there is.

First, you can vacate wins for knowingly playing ineligible players. The Tat 5 agreement that allowed them to play in the bowl game was based upon the premise that y'all did not know about it until December, and then used all due haste to report it.

Also, if the basis for the decision was obtained by fraud on tOSU's part, then it might not be binding. I mean, I have no idea if the NCAA rules provide for that... But the law in general is chock full of doctrines and statutes that say that an agreement that is entered into because of fraud on the part of one of the parties can be vitiated because of the fraud. Like I say, the NCAA can only do so if they have some sort of "yeah - but you lied to us" rule that lets them revisit deals already struck. Maybe they stick to the old deal, but then file a brand new charge of lying to them when that happens, I do not know.

How does that work when the coach knew but the school didn't though? I mean, let's assume for a second that's the case, that JT sat on the info and didn't forward the e-mails or report it to the school. If the school didn't know they were ineligible, would they still have to vacate the season? In that particular scenario, the school would be a victim of the cover up as well.

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

I'm glad to hear that his nodding was not a "yes" - most likely.

I know it's messed up, but I'd rather find out that JT DID pass the e-mails on and somebody else effed it up, even if it means seeing OSU hit with a "Failure to monitor" or even *knock on wood* the dreaded "lack of institutional control".

No, I don't have idol worship issues....why do you ask?