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Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

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BuckeyeMike80;1886342; said:
That's not what the emails indicate to me, sorry. He was looking for "more names". That indicates to me he was trying to do it within his own purview, i.e. being a "control freak" about his program.
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So like OJ he is looking for the killers?

BuckeyeMike80;1886342; said:
I'm not saying it's RIGHT because it certainly was not. I am saying that was what the man was trying to do. From what I've read there's no way he had anything to go on in terms of a real investigation.
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Other than an e-mail from a lawyer privy to confidential information saying "I have info that your Players X and Y are likely selling stuff like rings and signed merchandise and getting tats and maybe cash in return."

Mike - are you even listening to yourself? You make the Auburn apologists sound rational.
 
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Bucklion;1886352; said:
And Gregg Doyel calls people stupid...that's rich...it's like Charlie Weis criticizing Kate Moss' front butt:

http://gregg-doyel.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/5881996/27810929
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I believe he lives in Ohio and said something on Twitter yesterday to the effect of "even if my kids get into OSU, I'm not giving that school a cent."

OK then, the school will happily take money from the thousands of others who would kill to be Buckeyes

:oh:
 
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Gatorubet;1886266; said:
5) To get the Sugar Bowl deal, Coach Tressel signed off on compliance paperwork [strike]saying that they first he had heard of tat-gate was in December[/strike] in September . That was a lie. (that is not clear, and it looks like I meant something different. Every year Tress has to sign a compliance form sying that he was unawaere of any NCAA vioaltions. Per the April and June e-mails, his signing off on that September cert was not true. The NCAA looks at what you knew and when you knew it when they decide punishments. So with the September compliance certificate from Tress, tOSU told the NCAA that they first heard of the tatgate issue in December. The NCAA relied upon the compliance certificate and the assertions from tOSU when making the "we are letting the 5 players play in the Sugar Bowl" ruling.)
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Thanks for clearing that up. In your original post, you said that Tressel signed a certificate saying that the first he heard of tat-gate was in December. I had not (and still have not) seen anything indicating that was true.

Nitpicking here, but I still don't agree with the bold above--in September when he signed the compliance certificate, he had no idea the Sugar Bowl was even on the radar screen (indeed, as of that time, the goal was the NC game, not a lesser BCS bowl). Therefore, to phrase your language as you did, you're saying that the reason he signed the certificate was to broker the Sugar Bowl deal is, IMO, misleading. Again, this may seem like a minor complaint (and it may be in the grand scheme of things), but I don't see how you can make that claim. Your language is attributing an intent to Tressel in September that couldn't have existed.
 
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Gatorubet;1886355; said:
So like OJ he is looking for the killers?
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Maybe. Who knows? Look down further for a greater explanation.

Other than an e-mail from a lawyer privy to confidential information saying "I have info that your Players X and Y are likely selling stuff like rings and signed merchandise and getting tats and maybe cash in return."

Mike - are you even listening to yourself? You make the Auburn apologists sound rational.
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Except unlike the Auburn apologists I realize something WRONG occurred and that a punishment needs to occur.

I think it's relatively clear and completely wrong. He should have interfaced with the university compliance people immediately. I'm not debating that.

What I'm trying to do is figure out his thinking at the time from what others have said here who I trust and from what my own perceptions of how the man actually does business.

The point I'm trying to make is he took whatever this scumbag lawyer said and tried to do it himself but likely ran into serious issues finding out anything of value that could have aided in any type of investigation he could have run. He should not have put it upon himself to run any type of investigation and that is central to the violation I think.

Add in all of the other duties and responsibilities and gigs and all that stuff that comes with being the OSU HC, I'm not at all surprised he didn't pursue it as diligently and certainly his resources at hand would not have been great enough in any case. That's what the university compliance office is for and I think that lesson has finally been hammered home.

AT NO TIME AM I SAYING HE WAS RIGHT TO DO ANY OF THIS AND HE IS AND WILL CONTINUE TO PAY FOR IT.
 
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NorthCoastKid;1886356; said:
I believe he lives in Ohio and said something on Twitter yesterday to the effect of "even if my kids get into OSU, I'm not giving that school a cent."

OK then, the school will happily take money from the thousands of others who would kill to be Buckeyes

:oh:
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If he lives in Ohio, his (tax) money is already going to Ohio State. NOW who's the stupid one?
 
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Gatorubet;1886362; said:
The new norm guys. Sucks.
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Not really sure why anyone here would complain about the media coverage in this case. The choices made in this case were really poor so you get absolutely slammed for it. As it should be. As hard as it may be, now would be a good time to eat the humble pie without looking for where you've been disrespected.
 
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k2onprimetime;1886370; said:
To someone who actually knows what their talking about, are we gonna get more NCAA sanctions?
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There is certainly a good chance of it.

Remember that it was the SEC office that added the 8 game conference suspension to what Tennessee gave Bruce Pearl, and that the NCAA hasn't yet ruled on it. It could be even worse before it's over for Pearl.

And I know y'all don't like to hear it, but it is a very similar situation.

It wasn't so much the original sin, it was the coverup that made it exponentially worse.

So, there is a good chance that not only will the NCAA increase the penalties, but the B10 league office might do so as well - just to keep ahead of the B10/SEC perception of righteousness.

It ain't over, that's for sure.
 
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k2onprimetime;1886370; said:
To someone who actually knows what their talking about, are we gonna get more NCAA sanctions?
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Nobody can answer that with any degree of certainty. He may. He may not. Ohio State may. Ohio State may not. My uneducated guess: Tressel will at least serve a longer suspension.
 
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