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ORD_Buckeye;1938730; said:
Still, if JT forwarded any info to Smith regarding Fine Line or Talbott, he needs to speak up NOW. He's not protecting Ohio State--only Smith--by keeping silent at this point. If he truly loves Ohio State, he should want the TRUTH to get out and this self-serving cancer out of the university.

At this stage in the game--having been forced out of the job and with inevitable LOIC sanctions headed down the pike--there's nothing to be gained by protecting Smith. There's no logic or rationale to it that I can discern. JT is absolutely free to come forward with anything at this point.
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It is common human nature to out people to protect yourself, but not everyone does that. Sometimes you find out more about a person when they don't throw people under the bus even when it is obvious that there is something up. Sometimes people are ok with allow due process to take place. JT has stood for years on his faith. Making mistakes is human nature, we have all done it. Maybe throwing Smith under the bus doesn't sit right with him. What good would it actually do for the university. He not only would be throwing Smith under the bus but also all the kids he mentored. He could be showing some that you don't need to retaliate to things. Look how he handled MoC. He never threw him out as a liar. He allowed time to site he was upright. Sorry you feel his lack of openness is a sign of guilt but it can't be measured that way.
 
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NateG;1938929; said:
It is common human nature to out people to protect yourself, but not everyone does that. Sometimes you find out more about a person when they don't throw people under the bus even when it is obvious that there is something up. Sometimes people are ok with allow due process to take place. JT has stood for years on his faith. Making mistakes is human nature, we have all done it. Maybe throwing Smith under the bus doesn't sit right with him. What good would it actually do for the university. He not only would be throwing Smith under the bus but also all the kids he mentored. He could be showing some that you don't need to retaliate to things. Look how he handled MoC. He never threw him out as a liar. He allowed time to site he was upright. Sorry you feel his lack of openness is a sign of guilt but it can't be measured that way.
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Sorry, but I just don't buy it one bit. This whole line of reasoning seems to be the last rope of desperation that people are clinging to in order to absolve JT and not face the stark reality that the character of the man behind the scenes was not that of the man he presented to the public.

Coming forward would not be about retaliating against Gene Smith or throwing anyone under a bus. It would be about doing the right thing. It would be about telling the [censored]ing truth....finally. It would be about cleaning up the athletic department and helping Ohio State. Unless you think that keeping an athletic director who--had JT really told him about the violations--is not only incompetent but downright sleazy and duplicitous is the right thing. How would keeping such a man in the athletic director's chair, protect Ohio State?

JT is not coming forward for one simple reason. He has nothing to come forward about.
 
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ORD_Buckeye;1938954; said:
Sorry, but I just don't buy it one bit. This whole line of reasoning seems to be the last rope of desperation that people are clinging to in order to absolve JT and not face the stark reality that the character of the man behind the scenes was not that of the man he presented to the public.

Coming forward would not be about retaliating against Gene Smith or throwing anyone under a bus. It would be about doing the right thing. It would be about telling the [censored]ing truth....finally. It would be about cleaning up the athletic department and helping Ohio State. Unless you think that keeping an athletic director who--had JT really told him about the violations--is not only incompetent but downright sleazy and duplicitous is the right thing. How would keeping such a man in the athletic director's chair, protect Ohio State?

JT is not coming forward for one simple reason. He has nothing to come forward about.
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I enjoyed your sanctimonious streak much more when it was directed at MAC schools.
 
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Come forward to whom, exactly? The Columbus Dispatch? If and when JT is questioned by either NCAA officials or by the infractions committee, that's the morally and ethically correct time to "come forward", not to media outlets or the general public.

IF there is more to this issue, such as private conversations with the AD, it's my hope that JT will step up and do the honest and right thing. He's retained counsel for a reason, and when you pay some bloodsucking barrister the big dollars per hour, you listen to them. I sincerely doubt that his attorneys will tell him to lie to the NCAA when the time comes.
 
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BrutusBobcat;1938964; said:
Come forward to whom, exactly? The Columbus Dispatch? If and when JT is questioned by either NCAA officials or by the infractions committee, that's the morally and ethically correct time to "come forward", not to media outlets or the general public.

IF there is more to this issue, such as private conversations with the AD, it's my hope that JT will step up and do the honest and right thing. He's retained counsel for a reason, and when you pay some bloodsucking barrister the big dollars per hour, you listen to them. I sincerely doubt that his attorneys will tell him to lie to the NCAA when the time comes.
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The last six months or so have bred a great deal of cynicism among Buckeye fans and understandably so. I do not believe that JT had any such conversations with Gene or anyone else in the athletic department. Ultimately, we may never know. However, it seems odd to me that the cynicism expressed here and elsewhere has dealt little, if at all with the following; does anyone honestly believe that when Jim Tressel called FBI agent Harry Trombidis, he was calling about getting an aspiring agent a job? Really? If that call did not deal with getting a youngster an "in" with the FBI, then to what did it pertain? Where did that call lead, if anywhere?
 
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ORD_Buckeye;1938954; said:
Sorry, but I just don't buy it one bit. This whole line of reasoning seems to be the last rope of desperation that people are clinging to in order to absolve JT and not face the stark reality that the character of the man behind the scenes was not that of the man he presented to the public.

Coming forward would not be about retaliating against Gene Smith or throwing anyone under a bus. It would be about doing the right thing. It would be about telling the [censored]ing truth....finally. It would be about cleaning up the athletic department and helping Ohio State. Unless you think that keeping an athletic director who--had JT really told him about the violations--is not only incompetent but downright sleazy and duplicitous is the right thing. How would keeping such a man in the athletic director's chair, protect Ohio State?

JT is not coming forward for one simple reason. He has nothing to come forward about.
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Well, like I've told others that say the same thing you just said... His 30+ year persons is a fraud... There are three holes to that theory that don't ring true. Before I present them I do understand the thinking and it is easy to take the scenario for what it's worth. But I have close friends with over 30 years of personal experience with the guy, who have known him since before he was a coach, and grew up with him. They all 100% believe that he sat on this. I don't know for sure if they have had personal conversations since the allegations came out, but I trust they are speaking truth to me about it because they did the same about others things that were going on with him that most have never heard about. It is hard to keep a reputation like that both publicly and even more so privately. Second, his track record shows that he doesn't just blab the truth out. Again in the MoC situation, he knew it to be false and didn't go and combat the allegations, he let them play out well passed when he needed to. It ended up being something that changed MoC's thinking about life, he said it in his interview on DP. So that shows that purple who have alleyways liked him are speaking up for him and former enemies are doing the same. Lastly we do not know what he has told the NCAA in the last rounds of interrogation. He may have told them just what you say he should. We won't know until Aug 12. But a public medium to do that isn't the best place to state that, especially if you don't care about rep to thousands that don't personally know you.

We all believe Smith needs to go in one fashion or another. Either he knew or is highly incompetent. The presser that offered up the email saga tools me alot. Body language is huge. Watch Smith in the whole presser. He was hiding something. We may have to end this by agreeing to disagree, but I have heard this same argument from many that do not know him personally or have never met the man and have just written it all off on him. I just don't believe that he held it all to himself. 1+2 didn't equal 3 on this one for me. Did he fall short yes. But I can't put it all on him. Sorry.
 
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SayNoToMichigan;1939005; said:
Per Bill Greene:



Yeah, fuck you SI.

EDIT: Fuck scUM as well.
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Can we all lol at Dohrman yet??? It is apparent that while there may well be more damning info out there...that dudes article fucking failed... He got scooped by the Lantern, Dispatch and Espn....what a domer fuck

He beat his chest like he was the reason Tress is gone...
 
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How many fails will it take for the media to back off? First the Dispatch, now S.I., both to of been proven mostly false. I will LOL for a month if the NCAA doesn't change the NOA. It will be fun to watch the opposing fanbases crawl back in the their holes.

With all the shit thats been talked, I wonder how they will deal with the ass kicking we are gonna hand out this fall.
 
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SayNoToMichigan;1939014; said:
How many fails will it take for the media to back off? First the Dispatch, now S.I., both to of been proven mostly false. I will LOL for a month if the NCAA doesn't change the NOA. It will be fun to watch the opposing fanbases crawl back in the their holes.

With all the [Mark May] thats been talked, I wonder how they will deal with the ass kicking we are gonna hand out this fall.
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They will never crawl back into their holes; they'll just yell "cheater" even louder and claim the NCAA investigation was crooked/corrupted/bias, etc.
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MaxBuck;1939006; said:
Not to pull a Donnyjr, but ...

Please explain.
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How would you define "university" and "education" that would give a college the moral leverage needed to break, bend, modify, subordinate or ignore written rules agreed to when becoming members of an organization created, designed and authorized to monitor, enforce and adjudicate agreed to rules?

If, in order to field "a competent team," it is necessary to go against the spirit and letter of the laws the college agreed to, then the college is stating that ethics can be broken, bent, modified, subordinated or ignored in the pursuit of athletic excellence; especially "if everyone else is doing it."
 
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