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[ORD_Buckeye]

What aren't you sure of? The original poster made the contention of all these great things (with a direct emphasis on the financial) that winning football games does for the university overall, thus encouraging cheating.

I simply contrasted two universities. One has not had any football success in fifty years yet has built up a $2+ billion dollar endowment. The other has won half a dozen national championships over the same period and just barely broken a half billion. I think it's a very valid comparison in light of the op's assertions.

Where is the great impact of winning football games?

 

[cincibuck]

Vandy has no athletic department. It was disbanded by Gordon Gee in 2003. Athletics at Vanderbilt are just part of the university in general.

i.e. Athletics are run at a deficit through university funds -- one of my contentions.

Oh, and despite their miserable record on the football field they have a very healthy endowment fund. $3 billion in 2010.

 

[jlb1705]

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Come on, don't post your clown responses. If you stood next to a good university and a mediocre university you would not be able to tell the difference. You can differentiate if you looked at two endowments though.

 

[Jake]

No arguments there.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

i.e. Athletics are run at a deficit through university funds -- one of my contentions.

Oh, and despite their miserable record on the football field they have a very healthy endowment fund.

I'm sure that Shell Oil, who has been pumping tens of millions of dollars into Ohio State's chemistry and chemical engineering departments in recent years, makes sure to check the football team's record before transferring the funds.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

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I think we could safely compare Minnesota and Alabama by any academic metric (undergrad rankings, rankings of Ph.D and professional programs, faculty quality indicators such as National Academy memberships, quality of incoming students, research funding and so on and so on) and find the same gap between the two schools as the one found in their respective endowments.

Maybe winning football games really only means winning football games and (sometimes) paying the bills for the athletic department. Nothing more; nothing less.

 

[jwinslow]

Where is the great impact of winning football games?

Do graduates from Bammer & Minnesota represent a similar demographic?

 

[FCollinsBuckeye]

Do graduates from Bammer & Minnesota represent a similar demographic?

Meh, they're all hicks.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Do graduates from Bammer & Minnesota represent a similar demographic?

I'll grant that there is definitely a cultural difference between the Great Lakes and the deep south in how higher education has been viewed and supported. Those two just happened to be the starkest contrast between two public flagships in terms of football success and success in everything else that I could find.

Perhaps a more fitting comparison would be between Minnesota and Ohio State over the last fifty years. The two universities match up quite well in all the metrics (including endowment) that I've brought up despite the former having zero football success for half a century and the latter being one of the nation's most consistently winning programs over the same stretch.

My point, in contrast to the op, remains: winning football games means jack [Mark May] to the university's larger mission much less being a rationale for cheating.

 

[jlb1705]

I think we could safely compare Minnesota and Alabama by any academic metric (undergrad rankings, rankings of Ph.D and professional programs, faculty quality indicators such as National Academy memberships, quality of incoming students, research funding and so on and so on) and find the same gap between the two schools as the one found in their respective endowments.

Maybe winning football games really only means winning football games and (sometimes) paying the bills for the athletic department. Nothing more; nothing less.

I don't disagree with that. I was just making an err... "endowment" joke.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Do graduates from Bammer & Minnesota represent a similar demographic?

sometimes

 

[BigWoof31]

I'll grant that there is definitely a cultural difference between the Great Lakes and the deep south in how higher education has been viewed and supported.

Rather than ripping on the Educational priorities of the South and reverting to the "Stupid Sister fuckers" playcall - why not simply look at enrollment numbers?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_university_campuses_by_enrollment


UMinn has the 4th largest school in America and has massive medical facilities on campus.

By contrast - Alabama has about 22,000 less students and no hospital and it's medical school ins 100+ miles away in Birmingham

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Alabama


In this instance, it's simply an argument of numbers, not educational priorities. Show me a school with 20k more students and I'll show you a significantly larger endowment.

 

[Bill Lucas]

Rather than ripping on the Educational priorities of the South and reverting to the "Stupid Sister [censored]ers" playcall - why not simply look at enrollment numbers?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_university_campuses_by_enrollment


UMinn has the 4th largest school in America and has massive medical facilities on campus.

By contrast - Alabama has about 22,000 less students and no hospital and it's medical school ins 100+ miles away in Birmingham

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Alabama


In this instance, it's simply an argument of numbers, not educational priorities. Show me a school with 20k more students and I'll show you a significantly larger endowment.

Cough, Notre Dame, cough. 11600 students total and look at their endowment numbers. It's not simply a matter of student population.

 

[BigWoof31]

Cough, Notre Dame, cough. 11600 students total and look at their endowment numbers. It's not simply a matter of student population.

Right but they also receive specific (and significant) funding from the Church and from subway alums.

Enrollments in state schools (and state populations for that matter) are HUGE factors in public school endowments.

 

[Tlangs]

Right but they also receive specific (and significant) funding from the Church and from subway alums.

Enrollments in state schools (and state populations for that matter) are HUGE factors in public school endowments.

my endowment is much bigger than your endowment! at least that is what your mom told me.