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[Bill Lucas]

Right but they also receive specific (and significant) funding from the Church and from subway alums.

Enrollments in state schools (and state populations for that matter) are HUGE factors in public school endowments.

Understood but that's just an example. If you look at the really big endowments you'll see that they are mostly small schools.

 

[BB73]

After reading mulitple threads on this topic, I haven't seen one post about the responsibility the football COMMUNITY needs to take for all of this going down. Allow me to explain.

Well, if by "COMMUNITY" you mean hicks, then yes, that topic has been addressed.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Rather than ripping on the Educational priorities of the South and reverting to the "Stupid Sister [censored]ers" playcall - why not simply look at enrollment numbers?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_university_campuses_by_enrollment


UMinn has the 4th largest school in America and has massive medical facilities on campus.

By contrast - Alabama has about 22,000 less students and no hospital and it's medical school ins 100+ miles away in Birmingham

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Alabama

In this instance, it's simply an argument of numbers, not educational priorities. Show me a school with 20k more students and I'll show you a significantly larger endowment.

Since when is endowment (or any other qualitative indicator in higher education) a function of enrollment?

Michigan has the smallest enrollment of any public Big Ten university, yet they have the highest endowment. Virginia has fewer than 20K students (undergrad and grad) yet has a $4B+ endowment. Look at private universities, and your argument becomes even less valid.

 

[jlb1705]

Do graduates from Bammer & Minnesota represent a similar demographic?

Rather than ripping on the Educational priorities of the South and reverting to the "Stupid Sister fuckers" playcall - why not simply look at enrollment numbers?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_university_campuses_by_enrollment


UMinn has the 4th largest school in America and has massive medical facilities on campus.

By contrast - Alabama has about 22,000 less students and no hospital and it's medical school ins 100+ miles away in Birmingham

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Alabama


In this instance, it's simply an argument of numbers, not educational priorities. Show me a school with 20k more students and I'll show you a significantly larger endowment.

Cough, Notre Dame, cough. 11600 students total and look at their endowment numbers. It's not simply a matter of student population.

Right but they also receive specific (and significant) funding from the Church and from subway alums.

Enrollments in state schools (and state populations for that matter) are HUGE factors in public school endowments.

All this argument about other factors is kinda making ORD's point for him. These posts are highlighting culture, enrollment, location, and institution type as factors that drive fundraising, and nobody is talking about football anymore.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Show me a school with 20k more students and I'll show you a significantly larger endowment.

FAMU has about that many.

I hear their endowment is freakishly large.

 

[IronBuckI]

Rather than ripping on the Educational priorities of the South and reverting to the "Stupid Sister fuckers" playcall - why not simply look at enrollment numbers?

...

In this instance, it's simply an argument of numbers, not educational priorities. Show me a school with 20k more students and I'll show you a significantly larger endowment.

Then stop fucking your stupid sisters and get to class.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

In this instance, it's simply an argument of numbers, not educational priorities. Show me a school with 20k more students and I'll show you a significantly larger endowment.

Arizona State: 70,445 students; $441M endowment.

 

[bassbuckeye07]

Arizona State: 70,445 students; $441M endowment.

But they have hot chicks and party like rock stars

 

[NateG]

I heard someone got a larger and stronger "endowment" but packing em in with extra socks. Anyone know about this?

 

[cincibuck]

Here's a list from 2007:

http://money.cnn.com/2007/01/22/pf/college/richest_endowment_funds/index.htm

I think it more than makes the case that the correlation between giving to the university (versus giving to the athletic department) is hardly affected by winning football. When you look and see Vandy, Duke, UVA, Ga Tech, Emory listed you realize that nothing keeps alums of southern schools from giving. In fact I'm somewhat surprised that I don't see Georgia and Florida -- and they may be, but I just gave the list a cursory glance -- listed as both schools have moved into the upper tier of academic performance for public universities in the last 25 years.

 

[Diego-Bucks]

Understood but that's just an example. If you look at the really big endowments you'll see that they are mostly small schools.

Kind of misleading. You will see that the largest endowments are mostly private schools. That or an entire state's university program, like the Universities of Texas and California system. I think that public school endowments are mostly due to alumni base size and the rare corporate success story that can give back to the school in heaps.

Public schools don't need the same drive for endowments as private schools if the public schools are also funded via the state budget. Private schools have huge endowments because their operating budgets rely upon that (as do their future infrastructure plans). Public schools do not fall under the same level of financial obligations from their endowments, thus they have less of a need to hold fundraising drives.

My $.02

 

[Steve19]

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/06/attorney_in_osu_scandal_accuse.html

 

[MaxBuck]

If, in order to "field a competent team," it is necessary to act in an unethical manner then perhaps a "university," designed to provide "education" should leave "fielding a competent team" to the NFL.

Fine. You seem to be saying that not looking particularly hard for minor NCAA infractions is "unethical." With that being the case, I guess you'll want to leave here for "Browns Planet." Enjoy your stay there.

 

[cjmik_75]

Fine. You seem to be saying that not looking particularly hard for minor NCAA infractions is "unethical." With that being the case, I guess you'll want to leave here for "Browns Planet." Enjoy your stay there.

GPA!

 

[MaxBuck]

... winning football games means jack [Mark May] to the university's larger mission much less being a rationale for cheating.

First, in my opinion the football program exists primarily as the cash cow that permits Ohio State to fund the largest set of varsity sports of any university in the nation. This fact has several benefits:

1. Collegiate athletics supports holistic education that goes well beyond book learning. Athletic competition and teamwork teach life lessons that cannot be taught as well in any other way. Tremendous networks and friendships are developed. Maximizing the opportunities for students to secure these lessons is a responsible and appropriate goal for Ohio State athletics.

2. More sports means more scholarships, means more students are afforded the possibility of an excellent Ohio State education. Again, an excellent outcome.

Only by having Big Time College Football can we secure these benefits for so many young people. Only by having plausible deniability can we reasonably participate in Big Time College Football. Plausible deniability is practiced at essentially every Big Time College Football program, including all BCS conference members. Don't think it's not practiced at Stanford, Vanderbilt and Duke, folks; it sure is.

Cinci and ORD can ride those tall ponies if they'd like, but pragmatism suggests that Jim Tressel was a superb steward of our football program. His success allowed many student-athletes to secure a college education that they could not have with a 4-8 football record year after year.

No question he needed to resign given the circumstances, but don't ask me to buy into the idea Tressel was ultimately "unethical," because I think that's bullshit. In my opinion, the outcome justified the approach, and frankly the idea that breaking NCAA rules constitutes immoral or unethical behavior is absurd.