Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

[BUCKYLE]

Unfortunately, the head coach is ultimately responsible for his team (e.g., wins, losses, NCAA violations). It appears that Tressel ran a program that allowed these violations to continue. Did Pryor stop playing golf (if the story is true) -- it appears that he did, but does that fix the NCAA problem? No -- you have to report it and you need to eliminate problems (e.g., the photographer) from the program. He did not.

We can all think that the rules are silly, but they are the rules and if you don't play by them you can get burned. Handling things internally is only part of the solution. I don't think Tressel did a good job of handling them internally. Now everyone else has to pay for his mess.

I don't know what Tressel does in his spare time but by all accounts he tries to help these kids and the community. That said, there was more that he was obligated to do and he did not do it.

Unfortunately, in our modern society, it has become universally known and widely accepted that snitches get stitches.

What say you?

 

[Onebuckfan]

In our modern society from politicans to football coaches the mantra is CYA...JT left his out their for the NCAA and any parasite with a laptop a FOIA request..

 

[tundra1]

How many emails do you think Tressel received in an average day?

What are the chances he read them all?

Try that line of reasoning at your job. Unfortunately for Jim Tressel, part of his job was to help monitor his players. It certainly wasn't all of his job, nor was it only him who was supposed to monitor (compliance department, etc.)...but it was part of his job to help monitor.

A person with a work e-mail account has a responsibility to his job to read his work-related e-mails. I do at my job, no matter how many I get. So does everyone else.

Now, part of your point I'd guess is true--Jim Tressel probably got a lot of e-mails, as he was the popular coach of one of the most popular college sports teams on the planet.

Unfortunately, it was still part of his job to be able to read his e-mails and quickly separate the wheat from the chaff...again, just like everyone else with a work e-mail account.

Sure, he probably got more e-mails than I do. He had more people to monitor than I do. But he also made a lot more money than I do to compensate him for that responsibility.

The number of e-mails he got is an excuse, not an valid reason to ignore any information he did get--and I write that as someone who very much still respects Jim Tressel's entire body of work at the Ohio State University.

 

[Systems_id]

USC is a private institution. They are not subject to FOIA requests like Ohio State is.

Bah I keep forgetting this.

Let's start the march towards 16 team superconferences!

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Another article. This article states that the ohio state athletics department knew about Talbott from 2007 and did not act. Again, I got this from a scUM forum.

While the headline says athletic department, the article makes it clear that, on both occasions, it was JT being notified. The only evidence that I have of the AD looking into Talbott is Summer of 2010 per the 10TV report.

There's no indication that JT forwarded the information in 2007 and 2009 to the athletic director or compliance department. Conversely, there's past performance on his part that would argue he didn't.

 

[Pheasant]

Try that line of reasoning at your job. Unfortunately for Jim Tressel, part of his job was to help monitor his players. It certainly wasn't all of his job, nor was it only him who was supposed to monitor (compliance department, etc.)...but it was part of his job to help monitor.

A person with a work e-mail account has a responsibility to his job to read his work-related e-mails. I do at my job, no matter how many I get. So does everyone else.

Now, part of your point I'd guess is true--Jim Tressel probably got a lot of e-mails, as he was the popular coach of one of the most popular college sports teams on the planet.

Unfortunately, it was still part of his job to be able to read his e-mails and quickly separate the wheat from the chaff...again, just like everyone else with a work e-mail account.

Sure, he probably got more e-mails than I do. He had more people to monitor than I do. But he also made a lot more money than I do to compensate him for that responsibility.

The number of e-mails he got is an excuse, not an valid reason to ignore any information he did get--and I write that as someone who very much still respects Jim Tressel's entire body of work at the Ohio State University.

I appreciate the time and energy you put into that post, and I totally agree with everything you said. It actually irritates me to no end when something that has been clearly communicated in an email at work suddently becomes that something which nobody knows anything about. I may get bored reading emails, but I do read them all. As you can see below, it wasn't really a defense I was offering up, it was a plea bargain.

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I guess I'm just sick of new "revelations" and want something to blame it on. Tressel not reading his email is an easy scapegoat.

Reaching is allowed between midnight and 5 am

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

This means the mess you're referring to isn't Tressel's alone. He may share the blame, but it's a minority share.

I'm not one to say it's Tressel's alone, but he sure as hell isn't representing a minority share of it. He is the main reason that we're going through this--not the players, not that joke of an AD nor his compliance department and not Gee, though all share some of the blame for the depths of our current mess.

If he had notified the ad of the goings on at Fine Line Inc. in Spring of 2010 and proactively suspended the players, we wouldn't be going through this and he would probably still be employed. He CHOSE not to do the right thing and to follow that up by lying about it twice! That is the most significant ncaa violation swinging over Ohio State's head--not the actual trading of memorabilia for cash or tattoos. Now, it's looking like he also CHOSE to not inform the athletic department about Talbott, both in 2007 and 2009. Perhaps in Tressel's view it made sense to try and cover Fine Line Inc up.

A) He, to that date, had gotten away with it in the past with Talbott
B) Suddenly starting to turn these guys in might start unraveling the Talbott stuff that he didn't turn in prior to Spring of 2010.

No, JT is not responsible for a minority share of the blame.

 

[BB73]

I'm not one to say it's Tressel's alone, but he sure as hell isn't representing a minority share of it. He is the main reason that we're going through this--not the players, not that joke of an AD nor his compliance department and not Gee, though all share some of the blame for the depths of our current mess.

If he had notified the ad of the goings on at Fine Line Inc. in Spring of 2010 and proactively suspended the players, we wouldn't be going through this and he would probably still be employed. He CHOSE not to do the right thing and to follow that up by lying about it twice! That is the most significant ncaa violation swinging over Ohio State's head--not the actual trading of memorabilia for cash or tattoos. Now, it's looking like he also CHOSE to not inform the athletic department about Talbott, both in 2007 and 2009. Perhaps in Tressel's view it made sense to try and cover Fine Line Inc up.

A) He, to that date, had gotten away with it in the past with Talbott
B) Suddenly starting to turn these guys in might start unraveling the Talbott stuff that he didn't turn in prior to Spring of 2010.

No, JT is not responsible for a minority share of the blame.

I don't know if Rife's business was incorporated, but they did have ink.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

I don't know if Rife's business was incorporated, but they did have ink.

Are you saying this guy

wouldn't hire a proper business attorney to form his company?

 

[Pheasant]

I'm not one to say it's Tressel's alone, but he sure as hell isn't representing a minority share of it. He is the main reason that we're going through this--not the players, not that joke of an AD nor his compliance department and not Gee, though all share some of the blame for the depths of our current mess.

If he had notified the ad of the goings on at Fine Line Inc. in Spring of 2010 and proactively suspended the players, we wouldn't be going through this and he would probably still be employed. He CHOSE not to do the right thing and to follow that up by lying about it twice! That is the most significant ncaa violation swinging over Ohio State's head--not the actual trading of memorabilia for cash or tattoos. Now, it's looking like he also CHOSE to not inform the athletic department about Talbott, both in 2007 and 2009. Perhaps in Tressel's view it made sense to try and cover Fine Line Inc up.

A) He, to that date, had gotten away with it in the past with Talbott
B) Suddenly starting to turn these guys in might start unraveling the Talbott stuff that he didn't turn in prior to Spring of 2010.

No, JT is not responsible for a minority share of the blame.

I disagree.

If you give Tressel a majority there simply isn't enough left for Pryor, Smith and the compliance department.

 

[muffler dragon]

Troll words

Weak [Mark May].

 

[Bill Lucas]

I feel bad for the fans of OSU.

I'm the first to get tired of all of the pre-season OSU hype every year. I can't help it, I'm a SEC fan. I will be the first to admit that a strong OSU is good for college football. Coach Tressell's image before TAT-Gate was good for college football.

I'm not going to say anything degrading about coach T. I believe he tried to control a situation that was impossible. I want to believe he felt he had it under control. I also believe the compliance department was asleep on the job. Did he actually keep info from them?

I have followed this story very close, I can't get enough.

The thing I would be worried about, if I was a OSU fan.
From the outside looking in, there is no doubt Tressell was the big swinging **** on campus. It looks like the blame will get pinned on him and TP gone wild.

The thing is I keep thinking about that comment Gee made " I hope coach Tressell does not dismiss me". That was a stupid thing to say. I hope nobody took him to serious.

I'm going to leave the rest of your post alone but I take exception with the bolded part.

The average Ohio State preseason ranking last decade was 7.25. The average Ohio State post season ranking last decade was 7.25. What in the hell do you have to bitch about with "preseason hype" for Ohio State? In the entire decade the program lived up to preseason expectations exactly. Show me another program that was that consistent.

BTW, the SEC fan stuff is tiring. You don't have a team to hang your hat on?

 

[BB73]

Are you saying this guy

wouldn't hire a proper business attorney to form his company?

He looks tired. Perhaps he should take a little nappy.

 

[osugrad21]

I blame every bit of this on the Men's Volleyball program.

 

[Bestbuck36]

Someone with better research skills than I can surely verify this better but, was there not a release not too long ago that stated that Ohio State had been cleared of over 60 something self-reported violations over the past 5 years? I remember reading it here on this website about the report but could not find the thread again.

Because of the way we have self-reported, is it not possible that some of these "transgressions" like the golfing were reported by our compliance department and the NCAA was fine with it as they were terminated and not determined to have been a punishable violation? I would be interested to know just what alot of those self-reported violations were and if some were not indeed related to hangers-on getting too close such as this Talbott character. Regardless, it doesnt appear that Pryor put much distance between himself and Talbott, if any at all.