Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

[bassbuckeye07]

Pryor deposited checks into his bank account
I read this article at a scUM forum thread. If this is true, we could be in deep shit. Damn.

The only thing I find odd is sports by brooks said the NCAA enforcement staff found the checks.....but they are not allowd to pull bank records only the school can....according to the same article

If true I would say its the school that discovered it then handed it over to the enforcement staff......which is also strange because I thought the investigators were different than the enforcement folks


One should be careful using sports by brooks as a source also...he said Dohrman didnt have an article

 

[CookyPuss]

That's all well and good, but a guy that knows he is breaking the rules sure as hell isn't going to provide bank statements that show this stuff. Open one account for your monthly housing allowance and other normal transactions, open another for off-the-record stuff.

You are assuming a level of intelligence I have yet to see evidence of from said player.

 

[Gatorubet]

I'm confused. Pryor had already acknowledged receiving improper benefits in exchange for memorabilia, and the university also acknowledged the fact. This really changes nothing, since all it does is confirm that what we've admitted happened, did in fact happen.

On y'alls December 19 letter from Gee to the NCAA you listed specifically the items sold individually by TP to Rife. In April the NCAA listed those item by item on the first page of its NOA (http://a.espncdn.com/media/pdf/110425/OSU_NoticeofAllegations.pdf)

Your December letter may have left out 40K worth of memorabilia sales [Mark May] from a different guy. I would not double down on the "changes nothing" if I were you Max, unfortunately.

 

[Gatorubet]

The only thing I find odd is sports by brooks said the NCAA enforcement staff found the checks.....but they are not allowd to pull bank records only the school can....according to the same article

If true I would say its the school that discovered it then handed it over to the enforcement staff......which is also strange because I thought the investigators were different than the enforcement folks


One should be careful using sports by brooks as a source also...he said Dohrman didnt have an article

I would think that means the records were self reported by tOSU, given the NCAA's lack of subpoena power. Every time tOSU learned of something they turned it over timely and self reported. I have no reason to think you would deviate from that policy on this.

 

[bassbuckeye07]

On y'alls December 19 letter from Gee to the NCAA you listed specifically the items sold individually by TP to Rife. In April the NCAA listed those item by item on the first page of its NOA (http://a.espncdn.com/media/pdf/110425/OSU_NoticeofAllegations.pdf)

Your December letter may have left out 40K worth of memorabilia sales [Mark May] from a different guy. I would not double down on the "changes nothing" if I were you Max, unfortunately.

Yeah if there is a systematic deposit of a check from this dude that was around the program then banned last year...this looks like failure to self report not just from the coach but the athletic department and if you are objective it starts to look like a pay for play situation...or at least you could get there very easily...if anyone on staff new about this dude bad shit....i cant believe TP was the only one who knew this guy would pay cash for his sig

Im becoming that guy

 

[Bucklion]

I'm confused. Pryor had already acknowledged receiving improper benefits in exchange for memorabilia, and the university also acknowledged the fact. This really changes nothing, since all it does is confirm that what we've admitted happened, did in fact happen.

It depends on the timing of everything, probably. When did they find out this dude was paying TP? If it was a while ago, and they said "Go away" and he kept paying him anyway after that, it could easily look like "We'll tell you to go away to cover our ass, but in the meantime, do what you do to keep him happy", especially since we didn't report it at the time. That may not at all be what went on, but with the NCAA perception will be reality, as far as the football sanctions are concerned.

 

[SmoovP]

Yeah if there is a systematic deposit of a check from this dude that was around the program then banned last year...this looks like failure to self report not just from the coach but the athletic department and if you are objective it starts to look like a pay for play situation...or at least you could get there very easily...if anyone on staff new about this dude bad [Mark May]....i cant believe TP was the only one who knew this guy would pay cash for his sig

Im becoming that guy

If true, it might not be pay-for-play, but it's in the house next door.

 

[buckeyesin07]

Thats what the writer is implying...said we should have looked at his bank accounts soon as the tattoo thing came to light. I dont think anyone is shocked about this though....not after we heard about him and the memorabelia guy

The writer was from mgoblog. Enough said.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

I'm confused. Pryor had already acknowledged receiving improper benefits in exchange for memorabilia, and the university also acknowledged the fact. This really changes nothing, since all it does is confirm that what we've admitted happened, did in fact happen.

It changes everything. What's been acknowledged is trading a few personal trinkets for tattoos and cash. What's coming out now is a systematic payment for services scheme of tens of thousands of dollars per year. Throw in the timing that the AD apparently knew something was up in mid-season 2010 and did nothing regarding suspending Pryor or alerting the NCAA. If other players have been involved the magnitude of the problem becomes exponential.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Only thing that can make it worse is if the NCAA decides we should have known this was going on.

If we didn't know "something" was going on with Talbott, why did we formally distance him from the program midway through the last season? We knew.

 

[bassbuckeye07]

It changes everything. What's been acknowledged is trading a few personal trinkets for tattoos and cash. What's coming out now is a systematic payment for services scheme of tens of thousands of dollars per year. Throw in the timing that the AD apparently knew something was up in mid-season 2010 and did nothing regarding suspending Pryor or alerting the NCAA. If other players have been involved the magnitude of the problem becomes exponential.

All I can think of is Gene in his clown shoes and clown nose on in that press conference studdering that this is not a systemic problem and is isolated....looks more like wishful thinking

 

[NateG]

All I can think of is Gene in his clown shoes and clown nose on in that press conference studdering that this is not a systemic problem and is isolated....looks more like wishful thinking

I wish I was at home with photo editing software ready to make this pic. If someone is able to, it would be a good idea to create this.

 

[Divided42]

That's all well and good, but a guy that knows he is breaking the rules sure as hell isn't going to provide bank statements that show this stuff. Open one account for your monthly housing allowance and other normal transactions, open another for off-the-record stuff.

Would compliance be allowed or have the ability to pull a credit record showing open accounts?

The school has the ability look into their student athletes bank account records, its something you give up to be a scholarship athlete. So if that is true and its also true that OSU had this guy disassociated from the program then OSU is in deep deep [Mark May]. The plausible deniability that Smith, Gee, and the compliance department has been holding onto so far would be gone. There is no way they shouldn't have known about it.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

My one hope is that Smith didn't tell Gee. Not that I've been impressed with Gee over this, but I still don't want active knowledge reaching into Bricker Hall. At that point, one does start to encroach on smu territory where the President and Board were complicit.

Hopefully, Smith was trying to contain everything in his office until he could jump ship for Notre Dame or an NCAA job with a clean slate.

 

[OH10]

at hoping Gene Smith can still maintain plausible deniability. I think that ship has sailed. The only thing left to find is the smoking gun... and I have a feeling its coming in the not-too-distant future.