Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

[BB73]

Tha last 3 months of being a Buckeye fan has been like waking up each day, getting kicked in the nuts, and saying "Thank you sir, may I have another?".

Before yesterday, I didn't think tOSU was going to have the Sugar Bowl win vacated (I thought the NCAA would take away the first 11 wins, but leave the Bowl win since they approved the 5 guys playing). But the new stuff on TP makes vacating the Sugar Bowl a probability, since leaving that as a win would now look like a joke in the court of public opinion.

Before yesterday, I thought that tOSU would probably get hit with a "failure to monitor" charge, which is less than LOIC, which USC got hit with. But now it appears that tOSU's violations are as bad as USC's, at least on the football side, so I think tOSU will get hit with "Lack of Institutional Control".

And the mess isn't even over yet. The August 12th date might well be delayed at this point, which would mean the NCAA ruling on any postseason ban and scholarship reductions wouldn't take effect until the 2012 season and the 2013 recruiting class. But knowing it's coming will affect the 2012 class anyway.

There's more than enough blame to go around. I don't think Gene Smith can survive this debacle, the only question is whether or not tOSU is better off having him gone before meeting with the NCAA. I would guess that the answer to that is yes.

I'm not even mad at ESPN for reporting the 'cash for TP autographs' thing. One wonders about the guy that was their source, but how badly must the 'friendship' have been damaged to make the guy willing to tell those things, which anybody with a brain had to realize would end TP's days on the team?

I got an email yesterday allowing me to attend the B1G kickoff luncheon in Chicago in late July, I've usually attended those, got some autographs on some items, and auctioned them off in order to raise some funds for BP. I had already decided that I wouldn't be attending this year, due to some personal reasons, but auctioning off autographed items just doesn't seem to be as innocent as it did before.

But I'm still looking forward to my first trip to LIncoln in October. Go Bucks!

 

[buckeyesin07]

Plausible deniability ends when this [Mark May] hits ebay. That's part of your [censored]ing job description. No way they didn't know this was going on with this kind of volume.

I beg to differ on the ebay issue. I found it interesting when watching an interview on ESPN last night that the interviewee (I believe he was a reporter connected with the OTL story) cited the plethora of signed TP items on ebay. I immediately thought that concluding an NCAA violation is going on simply on the basis of a number of items purportedly signed by a college football player being listed for sale on ebay sounded a bit specious, so I looked on ebay and found many items for sale that are purportedly signed by Andrew Luck of Stanford. Now, I don't think anyone is accusing him of anything, so it goes to show that type of logic is a bit misplaced.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

He could have stolen it from mini Ohio State

Not if Mini Ditka had been in charge.

 

[bassbuckeye07]

They sure were, in 2008 when the alleged $1,000-per-week autographs were happening. In fact, they were the senior leadership.

You can't let these guys off the hook for Terrelle's alleged misdeeds, if you hold others responsible.

There was a transition at some point of a few bad apples that had no influence to the bad apples becoming the main influence

 

[Bucklion]

Tha last 3 months of being a Buckeye fan has been like waking up each day, getting kicked in the nuts, and saying "Thank you sir, may I have another?".

Before yesterday, I didn't think tOSU was going to have the Sugar Bowl win vacated (I thought the NCAA would take away the first 11 wins, but leave the Bowl win since they approved the 5 guys playing). But the new stuff on TP makes vacating the Sugar Bowl a probability, since leaving that as a win would now look like a joke in the court of public opinion.

Before yesterday, I thought that tOSU would probably get hit with a "failure to monitor" charge, which is less than LOIC, which USC got hit with. But now it appears that tOSU's violations are as bad as USC's, at least on the football side, so I think tOSU will get hit with "Lack of Institutional Control".

And the mess isn't even over yet. The August 12th date might well be delayed at this point, which would mean the NCAA ruling on any postseason ban and scholarship reductions wouldn't take effect until the 2012 season and the 2013 recruiting class. But knowing it's coming will affect the 2012 class anyway.

There's more than enough blame to go around. I don't think Gene Smith can survive this debacle, the only question is whether or not tOSU is better off having him gone before meeting with the NCAA. I would guess that the answer to that is yes.

I'm not even mad at ESPN for reporting the 'cash for TP autographs' thing. One wonders about the guy that was their source, but how badly must the 'friendship' have been damaged to make the guy willing to tell those things, which anybody with a brain had to realize would end TP's days on the team?

I got an email yesterday allowing me to attend the B1G kickoff luncheon in Chicago in late July, I've usually attended those, got some autographs on some items, and auctioned them off in order to raise some funds for BP. I had already decided that I wouldn't be attending this year, due to some personal reasons, but auctioning off autographed items just doesn't seem to be as innocent as it did before.

But I'm still looking forward to my first trip to LIncoln in October. Go Bucks!

Tennessee's AD just stepped down literally a few days before their Come to Jesus meeting with the NCAA...I could see the same thing happening here, but I am hoping he will be gone way, way before that (of course, I've been hoping that all along).

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Finally, and I'm not minimizing anything here, but from an NCAA perspective Pryor has already admitted receiving improper benefits. Does it matter whether it was $500 worth or $40,000 worth? This is a serious question - not sure these revelations have much impact on sanctions (though I agree they will likely be large). Also, the fact Talbott was warned away from the program doesn't mean the athletic department "knew" that these specific violations were occurring. If in fact they were, which now seems likely.

I have to respect your never ending reservoir of faith, but at some point the scarlet glasses have to come off and the grey kool-aid needs to be put down. The football program and the athletic department--with each passing week--are being shown to be rotten and/or grossly incompetent to the core. That goes for Tressel, Smith, the compliance department and I'm not beyond including Gee in this anymore.

Wexner, Kasich and the board need to, as others have noted, burn the program and athletic department down and rebuild it from the ground up. You're an alum; you have to realize there's now more at stake here than winning football games.

 

[bassbuckeye07]

I have to respect your never ending reservoir of faith, but at some point the scarlet glasses have to come off and the grey kool-aid needs to be put down. The football program and the athletic department--with each passing week--are being shown to be rotten and/or grossly incompetent to the core. That goes for Tressel, Smith, the compliance department and I'm not beyond including Gee in this anymore.

Wexner, Kasich and the board need to, as others have noted, burn the program and athletic department down and rebuild it from the ground up. You're an alum; you have to realize there's now more at stake here than winning football games.

I couldnt agree more....im done defending or minimizing I want a clean house....I will be at the games even if we send d3 guys out there but I want this fixed... this is bad management 101...its like a roten corporation. They did not protect their 100 million dollar a year assett to enable some kids..........that means they suck at running a large entity

 

[Bucklion]

I have to respect your never ending reservoir of faith, but at some point the scarlet glasses have to come off and the grey kool-aid needs to be put down. The football program and the athletic department--with each passing week--are being shown to be rotten and/or grossly incompetent to the core. That goes for Tressel, Smith, the compliance department and I'm not beyond including Gee in this anymore.

Wexner, Kasich and the board need to, as others have noted, burn the program and athletic department down and rebuild it from the ground up. You're an alum; you have to realize there's now more at stake here than winning football games.

When I was there and it was Gee's first time around, I think I was the only person on campus who didn't drink his Kool-Aid and fall for his aw shucks Orville Redenbocker shtick. Now everyone is starting to see why.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

gene smith....that's the only thing I can think of.

Pure speculation on my part, but I'm wondering whether he willfully swept everything under the rug because he wanted a clean slate when the domer job came open? No proof; just a gut feeling.

 

[BUCKYLE]

I couldnt agree more....im done defending or minimizing I want a clean house....I will be at the games even if we send d3 guys out there but I want this fixed... this is bad management 101...its like a roten corporation. They did not protect their 100 million dollar a year assett to enable some kids..........that means they suck at running a large entity

Seriously. Let's have the NCAA tell us exactly how to do things. Let's let them pick the guys for the compliance dept. Let's ask them EXACTLY what to monitor, and how closely. Let's let the NCAA run our compliance dept and build it from the ground up.

That way, when the next round of violations happen...and they will...we can suspend the worthless fucking organization that is the NCAA.

But yeah...I agree with ORD. WTF?!

 

[bassbuckeye07]

Seriously. Let's have the NCAA tell us exactly how to do things. Let's let them pick the guys for the compliance dept. Let's ask them EXACTLY what to monitor, and how closely. Let's let the NCAA run our compliance dept and build it from the ground up.

That way, when the next round of violations happen...and they will...we can suspend the worthless fucking organization that is the NCAA.

But yeah...I agree with ORD. WTF?!

accept it I have.... he is still an unwavering pessimist...but 50% of the time they are right every time

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

I beg to differ on the ebay issue. I found it interesting when watching an interview on ESPN last night that the interviewee (I believe he was a reporter connected with the OTL story) cited the plethora of signed TP items on ebay. I immediately thought that concluding an NCAA violation is going on simply on the basis of a number of items purportedly signed by a college football player being listed for sale on ebay sounded a bit specious, so I looked on ebay and found many items for sale that are purportedly signed by Andrew Luck of Stanford. Now, I don't think anyone is accusing him of anything, so it goes to show that type of logic is a bit misplaced.

I don't know if you should be finding fault in the logic. Instead, I think we should just accuse Andrew Luck.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

When I was there and it was Gee's first time around, I think I was the only person on campus who didn't drink his Kool-Aid and fall for his aw shucks Orville Redenbocker shtick. Now everyone is starting to see why.

I think he did a pretty good job the first time around; although I've always said he walked into the perfect situation and rode the coattails of all the truly difficult work that Ed Jennings did in the eighties. I was happy to see him return if only because I thought he'd be the perfect person for the campaign.

Gee 2.0 has been less than stellar. His stupid, embarrassing quips to the press. His utter lack of leadership in this whole matter. Even the fundraising campaign has been something of a clusterfuck--with the first head leaving before it even hit the official state and the second being the retired President of South Carolina who died before his seat was even warm. I've reluctantly started to come to the conclusion that Gee might be losing it.

 

[Bucknut24]

im a sad panda

 

[Jake]

I have to respect your never ending reservoir of faith, but at some point the scarlet glasses have to come off and the grey kool-aid needs to be put down. The football program and the athletic department--with each passing week--are being shown to be rotten and/or grossly incompetent to the core. That goes for Tressel, Smith, the compliance department and I'm not beyond including Gee in this anymore.

Wexner, Kasich and the board need to, as others have noted, burn the program and athletic department down and rebuild it from the ground up. You're an alum; you have to realize there's now more at stake here than winning football games.

Amen. I've been in that camp for awhile now.

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