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Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

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Buckeyefrankmp;1885002; said:
This is the first time I have seen it. If this person felt they were being stonewalled why would they go anywhere that has an OSU logo attached to it? The person might think this reporting line will get them nowhere as well.
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This is EthicsPoint's system. The OSU logo on an email/phone directory/shirt if face to face apparently didn't scare off this concerned party from having a communique with Tressel in April, 2010.
 
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WolverineMike;1885014; said:
way to much speculation and mystery around this right now. not even worth commenting on until it's either solidified or debunked. Doesn't seem like the thing Tress would lie about though.
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I don't see where the whole "lie" concept has to be in play. This may be more a Duty to investigate/duty to report deal, which depends on so many grey areas. Worse (or better), it allows for many scenarios where Tress is played by his own staff or compliance folks, or by his own players, yet he is the one having to make a call about what to do with what he then-knows.

This will likely be a 20/20 hindsight thing. I do not in any way see it being a Tress flat out lied about something. And as to whether he "lied" to the NCAA, any investigative agency think you lied if you tell them something that is not the truth. Problem is, it is not too hard to tell them something untrue you think was the truth, because that is what someone told YOU.

If there is some problem in house, and it is not a Tress problem, but it IS a staff or compliance problem, they have to be careful in what they say. Just because Tress is not ultimately the bad guy does not mean that nobody on staff made a bad decision during the investigation - or did not send some info up the food chain and it resulted in Tress & Co. not being more proactive in the investigation. If Tress was not told something he should have been told, or he assigned someone to investigate and they came back that all was good, then it is STILL a problem, even if Tress was golden. And if it is still a problem, then I would expect a bunch of silence right now.

This is pure speculation of course. But that is sorta what we do sometimes and I do not mean to accuse y'all of anything by it. Mostly, I just wanted to be clear that "Tress lying" will likely be the farthest thing from what went down here.
 
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didn't the feds find all the osu stuff at the tattoo artist's house when they informed osu?

it's not like the stuff was out in plain sight for people to see, and osu just turned their head.

i would also state that yahoo running the story before getting any confirmation via email or phone records is shoddy work, period.
 
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Gatorubet;1885017; said:
I don't see where the whole "lie" concept has to be in play. This may be more a Duty to investigate/duty to report deal, which depends on so many grey areas. Worse (or better), it allows for many scenarios where Tress is played by his own staff or compliance folks, or by his own players, yet he is the one having to make a call about what to do with what he then-knows.

This will likely be a 20/20 hindsight thing. I do not in any way see it being a Tress flat out lied about something. And as to whether he "lied" to the NCAA, any investigative agency think you lied if you tell them something that is not the truth. Problem is, it is not too hard to tell them something untrue you think was the truth, because that is what someone told YOU.

If there is some problem in house, and it is not a Tress problem, but it IS a staff or compliance problem, they have to be careful in what they say. Just because Tress is not ultimately the bad guy does not mean that nobody on staff made a bad decision during the investigation - or did not send some info up the food chain and it resulted in Tress & Co. not being more proactive in the investigation. If Tress was not told something he should have been told, or he assigned someone to investigate and they came back that all was good, then it is STILL a problem, even if Tress was golden. And if it is still a problem, then I would expect a bunch of silence right now.

This is pure speculation of course. But that is sorta what we do sometimes and I do not mean to accuse y'all of anything by it. Mostly, I just wanted to be clear that "Tress lying" will likely be the farthest thing from what went down here.
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the NCAA doesn't like being lied to. Ask Dez Bryant. But again, until something is made credible, i'm not going to speculate on this case.
 
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I am feeling better about this today.

FWIW, a co-worker (Georgia Tech grad and huge college football fan) and I were discussing this article this morning and he said that, to him, it sounded like Yahoo was trying to make a bigger deal out of nothing since the Tat 5 got to play in the Sugar Bowl. He feels that nothing substantial will come of this since the NCAA already did their investigation. Just to put this in a frame of reference, he doesn't like the "over-hyped and under-acheiving" product that OSU puts out which he is always willing to point out during the season.
 
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Gatorubet;1885017; said:
I don't see where the whole "lie" concept has to be in play. This may be more a Duty to investigate/duty to report deal, which depends on so many grey areas. Worse (or better), it allows for many scenarios where Tress is played by his own staff or compliance folks, or by his own players, yet he is the one having to make a call about what to do with what he then-knows.

This will likely be a 20/20 hindsight thing. I do not in any way see it being a Tress flat out lied about something. And as to whether he "lied" to the NCAA, any investigative agency think you lied if you tell them something that is not the truth. Problem is, it is not too hard to tell them something untrue you think was the truth, because that is what someone told YOU.

If there is some problem in house, and it is not a Tress problem, but it IS a staff or compliance problem, they have to be careful in what they say. Just because Tress is not ultimately the bad guy does not mean that nobody on staff made a bad decision during the investigation - or did not send some info up the food chain and it resulted in Tress & Co. not being more proactive in the investigation. If Tress was not told something he should have been told, or he assigned someone to investigate and they came back that all was good, then it is STILL a problem, even if Tress was golden. And if it is still a problem, then I would expect a bunch of silence right now.

This is pure speculation of course. But that is sorta what we do sometimes and I do not mean to accuse y'all of anything by it. Mostly, I just wanted to be clear that "Tress lying" will likely be the farthest thing from what went down here.
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It gets harder to sell the gray area stuff when they acted like Dec 8 2010 was the first they (as a group) had ever heard of it.

Tressel is the guy who never forgets a name, who's absolute control of every minute detail of the program is legendary. Now we are going to be asked to believe he just forgot someone coming to him about a possible NCAA infraction involving 5 players, one of which was his start QB?
 
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well it only took 3-4 days for that Oregon story to just about completely dissolve from the earth the other day...after OSU makes a statement this will probably be the same...maybe in 3 years the NCAA will make a ruling on it
 
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Piney;1884985; said:
Would be great if one of the BP insiders calms us down or gets us prepared for more.
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Well, for FWIW, Bank and Nevada had some fairly reassuring words on the scout pay board. Not info from on high, but they're both pretty clued in and neither of them seem overly concerned at this point.

Again, for FWIW (my IMO).
 
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y0yoyoin;1885025; said:
well it only took 3-4 days for that Oregon story to just about completely dissolve from the earth the other day...after OSU makes a statement this will probably be the same...maybe in 3 years the NCAA will make a ruling on it
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Nothing OSU related blows over quietly...
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm quite certain that the tOSU adminstration have reported infracftions in the past to the NCAA. Why in the hell would they not report this considering how big it could be IF Coach Tressel indeed knew about this last April.
 
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Well, without knowing exactly what Tress was allegedly told, there's not much to go on. Frankly, if Yahoo! wants to use this source for an allegation like this, we should have a accurate idea of exactly what this source said. Without filling in those blanks, this could be anything from "I told Tress players xyz sold/traded uni's for tats at xyz location" at one extreme. To "I told Tress he may have some guys selling gear around town" at the other extreme. In one case, it would be very easy to act on. In the other, where the hell would you even start to look besides asking the accused players to come forward? If they didn't, then what? Columbus is a big place. Can't go door to door or put a tail on every player to see what they're doing.

EDIT: In other words; The source would have had to have told Tress something specific enough that he could act upon it or this isn't going anywhere.
 
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I'm moving on at this point. I don't really care how the situation was handled...it's been handled.

5 of our best players are essentially suspended for half the season next year. The matter has been resolved. Our players traded memorbelia for discounted tattoos and money and they're going to pay the consequences next year.

JT handled the Sugar Bowl perfectly by forcing those 5 players to choose the Bowl game or the draft, and effectively made an idiot out of a lot of sports-writers who commentated the players would play the game and go to the draft anyways.

I'm sure there is an area of gray in this story, but there is in just about everything. Even if a former player or concerned source e-mailed/said in passing/etc, it just doesn't prove much. JT is an upstanding guy so I'm not buying he was in his office shredding documents or anything like that.

I have a feeling this blows over. Mostly b/c the punishment for these players is already in the bag. It isn't like we have $180,000 to track down, or been caught paying street agents.

We're talking about a crime that was caught and the sentence has been handed down. And like most college investigations these days, the proof came from a government investigation.

I think this is much ado about nothing....
 
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