Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

[Gatorubet]

Yup. I've said at least once in one of the threads that I have heard rumblings of this stuff around campus. I knew which dealer (one of them) was involved before I read the story. I'd be surprised if nothing came of it. It's a pretty terribly kept secret.

Now, do I think the administration had anything to do with it? Not so sure about that. Not going to jump to any conclusions one way or the other.

I don't think anyone thinks that outside of Michigan blogs. But the admin does not have to have anything to do with it, just be blind to it. That is the deadly LOIC thing. Not that you will face that, just saying that active participation - or passive participation - is not required to create a problem.

 

[matcar]

Yup. I've said at least once in one of the threads that I have heard rumblings of this stuff around campus. I knew which dealer (one of them) was involved before I read the story. I'd be surprised if nothing came of it. It's a pretty terribly kept secret.

Now, do I think the administration had anything to do with it? Not so sure about that. Not going to jump to any conclusions one way or the other.

Dunno that the athletic dept knew about it, but if this does have legs, then at some point, even if they didn't know, you begin to wonder about institutional control...or lack thereof.

We pounded on Oklahoma for the Bomar deal "working" at a dealership. This obviously is quite a different animal if true (especially if the athletic dept was in the dark about it), but ultimately if monetary benefits were achieved....well that wouldn't be pretty.

 

[alexhortdog95]

Like I said earlier. JT has lost all credibility and benefit of the doubt. His ardent fanboys will never see it that way (and as noted above, will probably still be on their OJesque quest to find the real culprits long after JT is gone and Ohio State has served the probation his actions placed us on).

Geez....you sound worse than some fans OUTSIDE of the fan base.

You're acting like he's H.I. McDunnah....

http://www.hulu.com/watch/12740/raising-arizona-telling-the-truth

 

[Jaxbuck]

I don't think anyone thinks that outside of Michigan blogs. But the admin does not have to have anything to do with it, just be blind to it. That is the deadly LOIC thing. Not that you will face that, just saying that active participation - or passive participation - is not required to create a problem.

Exactly.

I highly doubt they catch Tressel or any other OSU official red handed but if they find out it, or anything else, is simply going on under the current regime's watch they are fucked eight ways to Sunday and rightfully so imo.

One is a coincidence, two's a trend as the old saying goes.

 

[BB73]

Is it possible for a poster to be considered reasonable if he believes that the recent reporting by The Dispatch calls for a reaction somewhere in between an ostrich sticking its head in the sand and Chicken Little saying the sky is falling?

I'm choosing to wait and see what the real story is on the car sales and the $0 price that was reportedly on a document filed by a salesman/dealer, since that document may have never been reviewed by the tOSU compliance department, who may have been told during an earlier review of the transaction that the car cost an amount greater than zero.

I will admit to the possibility that there's been an orchestrated scam in which some members of the tOSU athletic/compliance departments were involved, but based on what I've seen in the past I currently believe that's highly unlikely. I said currently because I recognize the possibility that future revelations could change my opinion.

I also think it's possible for somebody to think that although JT is deserving of NCAA penalties he is still is the best choice to lead the tOSU football program - and to have that thinking based on reasons beside the 9-1 record and JT's religious beliefs.

I also recognize that's it's a reasonable opinion to think that the swell of negative stories will make it difficult for the program to continue under its current leadership, and that reasonable persons can believe that a change at the top will soon be necessary.

I'm certainly tired of the negative publicity of the last several months, but I prefer not to direct my frustration at other members of BP.

For those wondering, I have not awarded a GPA in this or any related thread in the past several days. I'm still moderating this thread, and I'm in a better position to take action if I'm not perceived to be taking one 'side' or the other.

Although there are probably some who think I have my head in the sand, there may also be those who think I should be displaying unquestioned loyalty to tOSU's leaders. But that's an unfortunate indicator of the current situation Buckeye fans are in.,

 

[jwinslow]

A poster brought up potential improprieties of the exact nature people are currently trying to shout down 2 months ago.

That pretty much answers my question.

If its that well known then it stands to reason that anyone looking has a pretty good chance of finding something.

Nice redirect, but

"If its that well known ___ (that players have car favors)" ...

is a far cry from

"being pulled over three times ... could be a monster (story)" ...

Sorry if things like that are somewhat uncomfortable for anyone.

D-.

I don't see it as actively choosing to relive anything

What would you call it? Did you accidentally cruise the rest of the trainwreck and just happen across it?

I see it as looking at relevant information.

I never claimed it was irrelevant. I simply find it pretty interesting that you're making a point to dig it up.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

.....but how is it different from Pryor selling a ring or AJ Green selling his jersey?

Seriously?

 

[Jaxbuck]

I never claimed it was irrelevant. I simply find it pretty interesting that you're making a point to dig it up.

I was just going through the thread laughing at the same people deflecting everything the first time around doing the same thing now to be honest, saw that and it jumped out at me. I couldn't care less about your opinion of my motives.

The part about redirecting is absolute nonsense but I'm not going to get into one of your line by line dissection trainwrecks.

You take the OSU athletic officials at their word, I don't. I wasn't wrong the first time and I'm pretty sure I'm not wrong this time, even though I'd like to be.

Time will tell.

 

[jwinslow]

I was just going through the thread laughing at the same people deflecting everything the first time around doing the same thing now to be honest, saw that and it jumped out at me.

At least someone is enjoying this disaster

The part about redirecting is absolute nonsense

Not really. Common knowledge of violations has absolutely no relevance to someone saying "bad stuff happening three times could mean more bad stuff".

I'm not going to get into one of your line by line dissection trainwrecks.

Ironic, given the digging that started this.

You take the OSU athletic officials at their word, I don't

I'm not. I think the press conference was laughable and mind-boggling, but you've been engaging quite a few strawmen in this thread, so I might as well be lumped in too.

As for filling the same roles, I've seen a pretty huge shift in a lot of posters on this subject since the car report leaked, but that's not as fun to mock.

 

[BB73]

At least someone is enjoying this disaster

Not really. Common knowledge of violations has absolutely no relevance to someone saying "bad stuff happening three times could mean more bad stuff".

I'm not. I think the press conference was laughable and mind-boggling, but you've been engaging quite a few strawmen in this thread, so I might as well be lumped in too.

As for filling the same roles, I've seen a pretty huge shift in a lot of posters on this subject since the car report leaked, but that's not as fun to mock.

Well, at least someone is enjoying this disaster. :tongue2:

 

[jwinslow]

Well, at least someone is enjoying this disaster. :tongue2:

 

[cincibuck]

I'm assuming the home games will not continue to sell out under that scenario, at least not at the current ticket prices. I'm also assuming merchandise sales and alumni/booster donations will dramatically decline.

Considering that season tickets require a "license" in the form of seniority or gifts to the President's fund and that you can lose your seniority by not buying during a down year and not be able to get back in -- it's not a joke that wills and probate court often decide who gets the "family seats" -- I don't think there will be much of an impact. If this leads to down seasons there will be a distinct change in the number and price of scalped tickets

As for gifting, Endowment gifters seem to be above athletics/good seasons/bad seasons in their decision making:

For 2010 Big 10 and ND Endowment funds stood at these levels:
Michigan 6.56 B
Northwestern 5.95 B
Chicago 5.67 B
Minnesota 2.20 B
OSU 1.87 B
Purdue 1.63 B
Wisconsin 1.55 B
Notre Dame 1.4 B
Indiana 1.37 B
PSU 1.37 B
Nebraska 1.14 B
Illinois 1.29 B
MSU 1.45 B
Iowa 791 M

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Considering that season tickets require a "license" in the form of seniority or gifts to the President's fund and that you can lose your seniority by not buying during a down year and not be able to get back in -- it's not a joke that wills and probate court often decide who gets the "family seats" -- I don't think there will be much of an impact. If this leads to down seasons there will be a distinct change in the number and price of scalped tickets

As for gifting, Endowment gifters seem to be above athletics/good seasons/bad seasons in their decision making:

For 2010
Michigan 6.56 B
Northwestern 5.95 B
Chicago 5.67 B
Minnesota 2.20 B
OSU 1.87 B
Purdue 1.63 B
Wisconsin 1.55 B
Notre Dame 1.4 B
Indiana 1.37 B
PSU 1.37 B
Nebraska 1.14 B
Illinois 1.29 B
MSU 1.45 B
Iowa 791 M

Athletics has little or no effect on university fundraising. Look at our own two multi-year campaigns. The first in the mid-eighties set a record for public universities and came in the midst of mounting frustration over Earl's 9-3 seasons and basketball being in the crapper under Eldon Milller. The second in the late 90s had a target goal of 850MM and ended up raising 1.23B--in the context of Cooper losing Michigan and bowl games ever year and the basketball program being decimated by the Fredoite's leadership.

I think the biggest disincentive lies in the fact that those who support the university are unlikely to punish the history department, physics department or whatever department for the transgressions of the football coach. I, however, do think that a lot of the college and department development people will be getting an earful along with those checks.

 

[Gatorubet]

Is it possible for a poster to be considered reasonable if he believes that the recent reporting by The Dispatch calls for a reaction somewhere in between an ostrich sticking its head in the sand and Chicken Little saying the sky is falling?

I'm choosing to wait and see what the real story is on the car sales and the $0 price that was reportedly on a document filed by a salesman/dealer, since that document may have never been reviewed by the tOSU compliance department, who may have been told during an earlier review of the transaction that the car cost an amount greater than zero.

I will admit to the possibility that there's been an orchestrated scam in which some members of the tOSU athletic/compliance departments were involved, but based on what I've seen in the past I currently believe that's highly unlikely. I said currently because I recognize the possibility that future revelations could change my opinion.

I also think it's possible for somebody to think that although JT is deserving of NCAA penalties he is still is the best choice to lead the tOSU football program - and to have that thinking based on reasons beside the 9-1 record and JT's religious beliefs.

I also recognize that's it's a reasonable opinion to think that the swell of negative stories will make it difficult for the program to continue under its current leadership, and that reasonable persons can believe that a change at the top will soon be necessary.

I'm certainly tired of the negative publicity of the last several months, but I prefer not to direct my frustration at other members of BP.

For those wondering, I have not awarded a GPA in this or any related thread in the past several days. I'm still moderating this thread, and I'm in a better position to take action if I'm not perceived to be taking one 'side' or the other.

Although there are probably some who think I have my head in the sand, there may also be those who think I should be displaying unquestioned loyalty to tOSU's leaders. But that's an unfortunate indicator of the current situation Buckeye fans are in.,

The blood loss from your tongue....anything to be concerned about?

 

[Saw31]

Fucking fuck...


My $.02