Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

[Jake]

This entirely makes sense to me...

So, if he confronts his players and they deny it, who is he going to believe? The fact that if this did happen (which I think is more likely the case than anything else I've heard) and Tress did not go public with this (though Smith, Gee and NCAA know) it reveals that Tress is being the fall guy for his student athletes.

Would this be enough to turn the tide of public opinion?

If that's how it went down, why did he not punish the players when it became apparent they lied to him? Based on that theory, he now knows they lied to him, so where is the punishment for that? Their only punishment has been the 5 game NCAA suspension.

The presser was "I didn't know what to do" and now we have "I asked the players, they denied it and I took their word for it."

I'm having as much trouble buying Tressel is naive as I did buying Tressel is stupid. He's not stupid, and he can't possibly be that naive at this point in his life. The apparent lack of consequences to the players for the alleged lies only adds to my skepticism.

I'm still waiting for a straight answer. I hope we get it when the NCAA makes its ruling but I have my doubts that we'll ever know the entire story. :ohwell:

 

[alexhortdog95]

Hey, isn't this the 28th???

Reading another article and this one popped up - skipped right past the date.

Damn dates, LOL

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

There's a difference - Cam is an 'entertainer' AND an 'icon'

You forgot "instrument of god."

 

[BB73]

I'm sorry, but the only link to a video of the December presser was difficult to download/watch because of technical issues. Tress was sitting next to Gene Smith as Gene explained that tOSU had recently learned of the problem, reported it, and the NCAA had cleared the 5 to play. So I find it hard to think that Gene would have done so without asking his head coach about it first.

In any event, you can look at Gee's letter to the NCAA, Here. http://www.dispatch.com/wwwexportcontent/sites/dispatch/sports/stories/2011/03/09/SelfReport.pdf

I think that you will see - on the third pdf page - points "ii" and the first sentence of point "iii" after the heading "Information Relating to the Violations" would support the statement I made. I wasn't trying to "bash" with that comment. Frankly, I just assumed that we were all on the same page by now as far as the facts as admitted by tOSU to the NCAA

I certainly wasn't trying to insinuate any bashing on your part. I'm just trying to make sure that posters in this thread are careful about what they present as 'facts', what things are assumptions, and what are opinions.

Taking the statement 'assumed we were all on the same page' out of context makes an entertaining phrase for those who have followed this thread closely.

Thanks for providing the link. I'd say that the first sentence in point 'iii' indicates that JT was asked something about whether he knew something about the players and the tattoos. Later in that paragraph it says he was 'informally questioned' after the players had been interviewed. Without knowing what the actual questions and answers were I wouldn't use the phrase 'specifically asked', in a context that could be interpreted as worsening the severity of his violation. It also makes a difference whether those questions were asked by the University or by the NCAA, and your comment didn't seem to indicate which entity was 'specifically' questioning JT in December.

He violated rule 10.1 and deserves some form of punishment; that every reasonably person agrees with, and has been admitted by JT and the athletic department. But at this point there's a lot of speculation about exactly how and why it was violated.

I'll be honest - I've grown tired of moderating this thread, which has become a train wreck on multiple occasions. So at this point, new facts are welcome, but ongoing speculation and rehashing of things that have been talked about for the last couple of weeks, not so much.

We're not trying to censor opinions. If somebody wants to express their doubts about JT's actions and/or question his future at tOSU, it should be done in this 'not all in' thread. If somebody wants to express support of JT, it should be done in the 'I stand with' thread. Sure, that does give us 3 threads to moderate, but it helps limit the bickering.

 

[Gatorubet]

It also makes a difference whether those questions were asked by the University or by the NCAA, and your comment didn't seem to indicate which entity was 'specifically' questioning JT in December.

Here, I am shocked that you didn't remember every one of my prior 1,436 posts.

That was discussed earlier Bill, and from the letter (posted then) it was confirmed that Tress never talked to the NCAA about it in December, only tOSU.

I assumed we were all on the same page. <insert couch smiley>

 

[BB73]

Here, I am shocked that you didn't remember every one of my prior 1,436 posts.

That was discussed earlier Bill, and from the letter (posted then) it was confirmed that Tress never talked to the NCAA about it in December, only tOSU.

I assumed we were all on the same page. <insert couch smiley>

You've only got 158 posts in this thread. :tongue2:

But I'm also making sure that the casual reader doesn't make a false assumption that JT was interviewed by the NCAA in December.

Forms of the word 'lie' have been tossed about this thread too frequently, and if a casual reader falsely thought that the NCAA asked JT 'specific' questions in December, that could increase.

 

[bassbuckeye07]

If that's how it went down, why did he not punish the players when it became apparent they lied to him? Based on that theory, he now knows they lied to him, so where is the punishment for that? Their only punishment has been the 5 game NCAA suspension.

The presser was "I didn't know what to do" and now we have "I asked the players, they denied it and I took their word for it."

I'm having as much trouble buying Tressel is naive as I did buying Tressel is stupid. He's not stupid, and he can't possibly be that naive at this point in his life. The apparent lack of consequences to the players for the alleged lies only adds to my skepticism.

I'm still waiting for a straight answer. I hope we get it when the NCAA makes its ruling but I have my doubts that we'll ever know the entire story. :ohwell:

I dont think all punishment is in the public forum. I am fairly certain that there were other punishments dealt out of view of the public. Not speculating that they were appropriate or not but it has been standard operating procedure to do some things inside the team to administer punishment. (Ray Small)

 

[scarletngray]

I dont think all punishment is in the public forum. I am fairly certain that there were other punishments dealt out of view of the public. Not speculating that they were appropriate or not but it has been standard operating procedure to do some things inside the team to administer punishment. (Ray Small)

What he said...

Plus, saying "all they got is a 5 game suspension" is ignoring the fact that they received a stiff penalty. Why add more...
:osu:

 

[alexhortdog95]

What he said...

Plus, saying "all they got is a 5 game suspension" is ignoring the fact that they received a stiff penalty. Why add more...

I love that "all they got" part. Yeah, that's like half the season. Had the violations been reported properly, they could have been suspended much less, and Coach Tressel could have said the generic, "Suspended for violating team rules" that coaches use all the time.

The NCAA was the one who handed down the 5 game punishment for the kids, so they probably would have accepted any punishment the school gave them at an earlier time had they just came clean.

 

[bassbuckeye07]

I love that "all they got" part. Yeah, that's like half the season. Had the violations been reported properly, they could have been suspended much less, and Coach Tressel could have said the generic, "Suspended for violating team rules" that coaches use all the time.

The NCAA was the one who handed down the 5 game punishment for the kids, so they probably would have accepted any punishment the school gave them at an earlier time had they just came clean.

and TP would be getting ready to start a Heisman campaign and NC run... Herron would be looking to boost his stock as a top 5 back...Mike Adams would be looking at all big ten and getting drafted high...most of that is gone now

 

[BB73]

I love that "all they got" part. Yeah, that's like half the season. Had the violations been reported properly, they could have been suspended much less, and Coach Tressel could have said the generic, "Suspended for violating team rules" that coaches use all the time.

The NCAA was the one who handed down the 5 game punishment for the kids, so they probably would have accepted any punishment the school gave them at an earlier time had they just came clean.

Allow me to be blunt: please stop posting inaccurate statements in this thread. That may be harsh, but I just posted something that should have prevented somebody from making a post like yours.

If the violations had been uncovered and reported last summer, the players would likely have received 4 games last year (that's what A.J. Green got at Georgia, per NCAA guidelines for a very similar violation). That's been stated numerous times in this thread.

The NCAA would have been informed, and the reasons would have been made public; it wouldn't have been treated as a 'violation of team rules'.

 

[Gatorubet]

Allow me to be blunt:

We could ALL use a blunt when posting in this thread.

 

[Saw31]

I'm hungry. Taco Bell run anyone?

 

[Best Buckeye]

I'm hungry. Taco Bell run anyone?

Yeah! get me two big beef burrito supremes w/ fire sauce

 

[Gatorubet]

Old school, it was In-N-Out Burger.

"Fourth Meal", way before the add campaign...