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Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

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OR.... Tress received the info, decided to tell TP's "mentor" to hopefully get through to TP that this kind of crap could get him suspended and that other players involved could also be suspended and that this kind of crap could bring the whole program down a few notches up to and including the possible firing of one Hell of a good Head Football Coach.

Then, JT, crossed his damn fingers.

edit: I know Tress handled this stuff terribly concerning the info that all of us have via ESPN, Yahoo etc... but damn I still believe Tress is a great coach who truly tries to do the right things... I STILL have to keep casting my ire towards the thing that started all of this BS. Yeah, I hear some of the arguments that it is THEIR stuff that they sold... GREAT.. I get that, but just because it is theirs doesn't mean for one instant that these five guys were ignorant to the rules.

I am going to stop now because I can't go any further without bashing.
 
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Okay....

Random thought here...

I won't rehash the facts of the matter here in detail, but, I was thinking about the compliance form issue.

So, in September Tressel signed a form stating that... well, whatever it says, that more or less he (and the other signatories, as well, which include all the Athletic coaches, staff and volunteers) didn't know of any unreported NCAA violations.

Then at a later point, Ohio State found this to not be the case and self reported this to the NCAA as a 10.1 violation for failure to disclose that.

Earlier in the thread someone took the time to list past 10.1 violations to the NCAA. IIRC there were only 13 or 14 such violations on the list. (MAybe 15, I can't remember how Pearl-- if there was a 10.1 involved there or not- and Tressel were counted).

That in mind.

My question is this.

In other cases of NCAA violations where a coach or another individual required to disclose such things did NOT self report the root violation (selling memorabilia, Reggie Bush, Athletes taking money, extra practice time) and the NCAA-- based on a different tip-- engages in an investigation of that violation, is a 10.1 violation then part of the list of rules violation and then the coach/assistant/volunteer/institution also punished?

I guess my point is, why were there only 13 or 15 or whatever other violations on the list?

Let's take Oregon and the payments to the recruiting service as an example. Clearly someone that's required to sign the XX-1 form knew that they made the payments and didn't report it to the NCAA. Are those people going to get busted under the 10.1 ethics rules? (And really, this isn't to pick on Oregon, but it was a recent example.. or did someone at Auburn required to sign the form know about the payments to Newton's dad? Or did someone at Michigan know they were practicing too long, though, I'm not sure of that particular timeframe as it would relate to September 15th?-- And obviously the QC guys are required to sign the form... )

So, I guess this goes to both to the idea of "multiple violations" under 10.1... and the point of self reporting vs. not...

Not sure where I'm going with this, but, just throwing it out there as more of a thought about why these type of violations aren't more common...
 
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AKAKBUCK;1899516; said:
Okay....

My question is this.

In other cases of NCAA violations where a coach or another individual required to disclose such things did NOT self report the root violation (selling memorabilia, Reggie Bush, Athletes taking money, extra practice time) and the NCAA-- based on a different tip-- engages in an investigation of that violation, is a 10.1 violation then part of the list of rules violation and then the coach/assistant/volunteer/institution also punished?

I guess my point is, why were there only 13 or 15 or whatever other violations on the list?
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First, 10.1 covers more than just non-disclosures, it covers unethetical conduct in general. But to your question, the school would have needed to have knowledge that a violation had occurred or was occurring. Why would a team self-report something that the have no knowledge about or something that they believe is proper? For instance, Oregon maintains that what they did was kosher, so it is pretty hard to punish a coach for failing to disclose something that he believed was proper. Likewise, there is no evidence that George Knew AJ Green sold his jersey, or that Carolina knew their players were getting the hook-up from agents, etc. With Tress (and OSU) they have already acknowledged that he was violating 10.1 in April 2010. The letter to the NCAA says as much, and I believe Tress publicly stated that he knew the players would probably lose eligibility when he became privy to this information.
 
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Just heard from a close friend of mine. My friend recently had dinner with an Ohio cabinet member and the subject of JT came up. Said cabinet member informed my friend that he had recently had lunch with JT and they had talked about the situation with the emails. JT told him that he confronted the players with the information and all denied any wrongdoing. He said he trusted them and took them at their word. That may help explain why he didn't take it any farther, if he in fact did not. If this is truly the case it makes me feel better about JT's motives. It would fit in with the kind of man he appears to be. He may have been too trusting but he seems to be a genuinely caring man. It is too bad he is going to be the one that is most affected by this situation. Hope he does not become too disillusioned over this, would hate to have it change the kind of person he is.
 
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Wadcutter said:
Just heard from a close friend of mine. My friend recently had dinner with an Ohio cabinet member and the subject of JT came up. Said cabinet member informed my friend that he had recently had lunch with JT and they had talked about the situation with the emails. JT told him that he confronted the players with the information and all denied any wrongdoing. He said he trusted them and took them at their word. That may help explain why he didn't take it any farther, if he in fact did not. If this is truly the case it makes me feel better about JT's motives. It would fit in with the kind of man he appears to be. He may have been too trusting but he seems to be a genuinely caring man. It is too bad he is going to be the one that is most affected by this situation. Hope he does not become too disillusioned over this, would hate to have it change the kind of person he is.
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Wasn't he the least bit curious about how their memorabilia ended up in the hands of a drug dealer/tattoo parlor owner?
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1899111; said:
.... and if I'm wrong, and Tress doesn't survive this....

Who cares?

We say it all the time - Ohio State is bigger than any one player. Well, it's also bigger than any one coach. Don't get me wrong, Tress has done wonderful things for the University and for the football program. He isn't an "average" coach and losing him would certainly be "felt" on the field. But... Ohio State football will be Ohio State football regardless of if Tress takes one more step on the sideline.

Yeah, I'll miss him if/when he's goes. But, I'm not the least bit worried that when Tress steps down or is fired, Ohio State will end up playing shit football. That's the difference, I think, between making Ohio State a program rather than a just a team coached by a particularly skilled coach.
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You damn skippy! Best post right there! Although, again, it IS tOSU.....you guys have so much talent on the squad that you could easily go 8-4 in a 12 game season with your scrub players, lol
 
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Another Thought....

Not sure if this one has been asked, but here goes....

Is there any possibility in this world, that Coach Tressel didn't take the emails as seriously as we all think?

I mean, think about it....the guy probably gets a bunch of emails from crazy hacks every day. He's the head coach of a perennial top five/top ten team in the country - he's got better things to do than to peruse all his email.

I get a bazillion of em everyday, and I'm just a lowly pee-on. I never get through them all in a day's time.
 
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Wadcutter;1899853; said:
Just heard from a close friend of mine. My friend recently had dinner with an Ohio cabinet member and the subject of JT came up. Said cabinet member informed my friend that he had recently had lunch with JT and they had talked about the situation with the emails. JT told him that he confronted the players with the information and all denied any wrongdoing. He said he trusted them and took them at their word. That may help explain why he didn't take it any farther, if he in fact did not. If this is truly the case it makes me feel better about JT's motives. It would fit in with the kind of man he appears to be. He may have been too trusting but he seems to be a genuinely caring man. It is too bad he is going to be the one that is most affected by this situation. Hope he does not become too disillusioned over this, would hate to have it change the kind of person he is.
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You are now the second person from whom I have heard this very thing. The other person from whom I heard this is a President's Club member with whom I have business. Said the exact same thing and said that information came from a University Trustee. We both wondered aloud as to whether this is why Tressel was so angry at the press conference in December. Again, I don't "know this is true". However, reading your post stunned me.
I believe that Tressel has a major malfunction (as do each of us), but it is not "dirty dealing". Tressel truly believes he can "save them all" and he molly coddles his super stars.
 
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MaxBuck;1899902; said:
That's what I've been saying from Jump Street. Chris Cicero, the author, is not the kind of guy one usually takes very seriously.
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Right. When I looked at the alleged emails - the responses were very short. There was nothing saying, "I need more detail," or "can you give me more information?"

From what you guys are saying, this Cicero character is a shady individual - who probably has contacted him in the past and he's ignored the guy.

I just don't see a guy who's won National Championships at multiple levels of college football ignoring a serious matter like this one. It defies logic.
 
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TJnTN;1899893; said:
I have the terrible feeling that we may have seen CJT coach his final game. :(
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I would like to know where this is coming from. OSU has a major problem with a leak, and personally think the person should be found out and drowned in the Olentangy.

But I have heard the same thing that this is a done deal.

Why would they do it now? There is no new information and if he was to be canned it would have happened before the press conf. It just makes NO sense.

Someone inside of OSU is doing one of two things.
  1. Leaking out information that JT is done
  2. Providing false rumors
Either is a fireable offence IMO.
 
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