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Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

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Tlangs;1897802; said:
Running a guy like JT out of town for covering up guys selling their personal property would totally push me to the dark side. Go rogue. No self reporting. Stall everything. Don't cooperate. Seems to work out for everyone else.
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Honestly, these are pretty much my thoughts as well. It seems like OSU going on the straight and narrow has resulted in nothing but trouble.

Seriously, all of this fucking hoopla over some players selling THEIR OWN PROPERTY for some goddamn tats. A crime without a victim.

Tress should of just suspended the players for the Eastern Michigan using the nebulous "Violation of Team Rules" to avoid this ridiculous fiasco.
 
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Jake;1897826; said:
The truly sad part is the punishment for the initial violations would've been the first 4 games of last season for 5 players if everyone had just come clean. It would be water under the bridge by now.
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This makes me wonder why were they trying to cover up something something so "minor" as this. Are there more things the school did not want to be revealed if the NCAA started to dig into this? Normally you would give Tressel the benefit of the doubt when something like this happens. Now, I am not to sure.
 
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Gatorubet;1897784; said:
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That's a context thing there gator...thanks for cutting out 85% of it...

and yes, that's what I'm doing until I actually see the emails, when they were sent and then I'll worry about what the NCAA 'might' do, since that's what matters now.

Not the righteous indignation of some mediots.
 
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Tlangs;1897798; said:
If no new violations come to light, JT will definitely keep his job. OSU already knows what he did and gave him a vote of confidence and stated he will be the coach. This email to TPs mentor is not a violation. It is backstory that OSU brass already new about and was taken into account when they decided not to fire him.

Per Ken Gordon at the dispatch...."OSU and the NCAA obviously already knew this"
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Nobody says they are violation, it just totally goes against his version of the story of why he didn't inform his bosses of the situation. It's fine to include the mentor of your star QB, but not your boss when your contractually obligated to? That dog don't hunt.

This will be used against him by the NCAA:

So Coach Tressel you were scared and worried, and you wanted to keep this confidential because of an ongoing Federal investigation, however you felt it was necessary to share this information with a business man from PA. Could you explain why tell this man but not your AD or compliance?
 
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unionfutura;1897881; said:
Nobody says they are violation, it just totally goes against his version of the story of why he didn't inform his bosses of the situation. It's fine to include the mentor of your star QB, but not your boss when your contractually obligated to? That dog don't hunt.

This will be used against him by the NCAA:

So Coach Tressel you were scared and worried, and you wanted to keep this confidential because of an ongoing Federal investigation, however you felt it was necessary to share this information with a business man from PA. Could you explain why tell this man but not your AD or compliance?
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Maybe. Again until we see the emails or get a ruling from the NCAA, who really knows? Speculation will just turn us against each other.
 
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unionfutura;1897881; said:
Nobody says they are violation, it just totally goes against his version of the story of why he didn't inform his bosses of the situation. It's fine to include the mentor of your star QB, but not your boss when your contractually obligated to? That dog don't hunt.

This will be used against him by the NCAA:

So Coach Tressel you were scared and worried, and you wanted to keep this confidential because of an ongoing Federal investigation, however you felt it was necessary to share this information with a business man from PA. Could you explain why tell this man but not your AD or compliance?
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I guess my point is that this was already taken into consideration when OSU initially handed down its self imposed penalty. Gene Smith used to be on the infractions committee. we have an enormous compliance department. We have consultants that work with the NCAA. We have direct contact and relationships with NCAA personell. All of these highly paid folks that are more in the know than you or I said that 2 games and 250K fine was an appropriate penalty. The suspension was increased once the players lost their appeal.

I highly doubt that our self imposed sanctions which were recommended by all these highly qualified individuals will be that far off of what ultimately comes down...barring NEW INFRANCTIONS THAT ARE UNCOVERED. Worst case scenario would probably be vacating wins and tacking on a game.
 
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Systems_id;1897859; said:
Honestly, these are pretty much my thoughts as well. It seems like OSU going on the straight and narrow has resulted in nothing but trouble.

Seriously, all of this [censored]ing hoopla over some players selling THEIR OWN PROPERTY for some goddamn tats. A crime without a victim.

Tress should of just suspended the players for the Eastern Michigan using the nebulous "Violation of Team Rules" to avoid this ridiculous fiasco.
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Jake;1897826; said:
I've been a Tressel fan since his days at YSU where I watched his teams play in person several times, but I sincerely think some folks are in denial here.

"I didn't know what to do." - Sorry, that sounds like a lie. He's not stupid.

"I was afraid to disclose the emails because of confidentiality and the investigation." - Sorry, but that sounds like another lie, now.

Added to the compliance statement in September and the lack of disclosure in December it is becoming increasingly difficult to see any other plausible explanation than Tressel/tOSU wanted to keep this violation hidden from the light of day. It looks like the classic case of the attempted cover up being worse than the actual crime. It doesn't matter how silly we think the trinkets-for-tats rule is, it's a rule. He knew it was a violation, if true, and it needed to be investigated ASAP. That either didn't happen, or it did and it was not disclosed to the NCAA. Either way, we're screwed there.

The truly sad part is the punishment for the initial violations would've been the first 4 games of last season for 5 players if everyone had just come clean. It would be water under the bridge by now. Instead, it is 5 games next season, and potentially 12 wins erased last season, and Tressel's/tOSU's reputation at a minimum, his job at a maximum. It may even get to the point where tOSU has to dismiss him, as Tennessee just had to do with Pearl, to avoid major program sanctions.

What a mess. What a shame. :(
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That's what gets me. If we reported these issues back in April I bet they would miss a total of 2 or 3 games tops. Plus the NCAA would have our backs in the appeal process. So TP and the others would miss what Marshall and Miami? Big deal even if you lose to Miami, people would put an asterisk by that loss because we weren't at full strength. Unbelievable situation we are in. In the NCAA's eyes we are worse than USC because they have more proof of a cover up at OSU than they did with the Trojans, can you f-in believe that???
 
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unionfutura;1897889; said:
That's what gets me. If we reported these issues back in April I bet they would miss a total of 2 or 3 games tops. Plus the NCAA would have our backs in the appeal process. So TP and the others would miss what Marshall and Miami? Big deal even if you lose to Miami, people would put an asterisk by that loss because we weren't at full strength. Unbelievable situation we are in. In the NCAA's eyes we are worse than USC because they have more proof of a cover up at OSU than they did with the Trojans, can you f-in believe that???
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I believe it would have been 4 games, same as A.J. Green got for the start of the 2010 season for a similar situation.

And it would have been very interesting if USC would have been subject to FOIA requests for emails of their AD and coaching staff from 2004 through 2009. But they're a private University.

But if tOSU were involved in a systematic coverup (beyond JT not passing on the email info), the JT emails could have been squashed in January, 2011 when they were discovered. The NCAA should be able to realize that.
 
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Tlangs;1897886; said:
I guess my point is that this was already taken into consideration when OSU initially handed down its self imposed penalty. Gene Smith used to be on the infractions committee. we have an enormous compliance department. We have consultants that work with the NCAA. We have direct contact and relationships with NCAA personell. All of these highly paid folks that are more in the know than you or I said that 2 games and 250K fine was an appropriate penalty. The suspension was increased once the players lost their appeal.

I highly doubt that our self imposed sanctions which were recommended by all these highly qualified individuals will be that far off of what ultimately comes down...barring NEW INFRANCTIONS THAT ARE UNCOVERED. Worst case scenario would probably be vacating wins and tacking on a game.
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Every school does that, look at Michigan when they reported their findings in the wake of their stretching scandal. They reported self imposed restrictions, and the NCAA tagged on more a month later, including lack of institutional control on the program. Michigan appealed and mostly won. We're not gonna win any appeals. The NCAA hasn't decided what they're gonna do to OSU. We'll find out in a few months what direction the NCAA will go, and we'll see how OSU is forced to act when that happens.
 
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