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The juxtaposition of "smarmy," "cheating" and "odor" is amusing, to say the least.

Bottom line for me personally? I've realized that I now regard violation of NCAA rules in much the same way that I regard violations of minor traffic laws. If you can get away with them without being caught, OK by me. (All right, that's not entirely true, but bear with me for a bit.)

In all seriousness, as the parent of a D1 athlete I believe firmly that collegiate athletics is a wonderful thing that provides the opportunity for young men and women to get a college education when otherwise they might not be able to. And I know for sure that college athletes are put onto a pedestal much less high than would have been the case in the 1950s, thanks to our cynical modern society. Sportswriters seem to get an especially firm stiffy when they get the chance to opine that Big College Sports is corrupt, venal, dirty, and [insert insulting and demeaning adjective here]. But they couldn't be more wrong - collegiate athletics are terrific, and they expand the educational mission of the universities in myriad wonderful ways.

Here's the deal: I observed when a high-school girls' track team (not one I cheered for, BTW) was forced to forfeit a meet they won because one of the girls wore a black sports bra under her singlet instead of a white one, as required by OHSAA rule. The wrong color sports bra. Granted, this was not tats-for-jerseys, but still - how bad was it? It was a rule set by a governing body of student athletics.

I have to admit I got a tear in my eye when I watched The Journey on BTN during the feature on Darius Morris, the young Wolverine hoopster whose best friend from HS died in January of this year from complications from numerous congenital conditions. And also during the feature on Brett Valentyn of Wisconsin, a walk-on sharpshooting guard whose big sister attends a few home games in her wheelchair (she also has been struck by several nasty congenital diseases that have sapped her strength and robbed her of her vision). The young cripples were inspired and given joy by the chance to see their heroes (best friend and brother, respectively) play, getting vicarious thrills by the athletic achievements of those players. What an ennobling and edifying experience college sports can be - and usually is.

Now, does Tressel's violation mean he has feet of clay? Yep, he sure does. But remember King David? God's favored was a pretty slimy dude in many ways; his good points, though, were enough to put his foibles well in the background in the grand scheme of things. No doubt Jim Tressel is going through some soul-searching, being told by the Powers That Be that he has done Really Bad Things by putting NCAA rules at too low a level of significance in his system of priorities.

But NCAA rules may not, in fact, be the most important thing to concern yourself with when you're charged with the lives of young men who, in many cases, come from pretty tough backgrounds. And who are likely to make selfish decisions that could run them afoul of the NCAA rules. And who, if you could sweep the minor stuff under the rug, would not come out of the experience less well-prepared for life After Buckeye.

This no doubt comes off sounding to many like a massive rant of self-delusion and inappropriate justification; maybe it is. But I have a new perspective on just how important NCAA rules are in the grand scheme of life - and that is, IMO, really not very. What's more important than those rules is whether the young men and women who leave your program are well-prepared to face life with the skills they need in order to make a difference. Based on what I've seen, Jim Tressel measures up about as well in this regard as any coach in college athletics. And maybe that's the conclusion E. Gordon Gee has come to as well.

"Smarmy?" Yeah, maybe JT is, a little. But "excellent," "caring," and "other-centered" too, without any doubt. Maybe that's what I care about most when I see a coach, and maybe I'm willing to put up with a few NCAA shenanigans if the coach we have exemplifies those virtues.

GO BUCKS! And Jim Tressel, I remain feeling proud and privileged that you are our head coach.
 
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MaxBuck;1889520; said:
The juxtaposition of "smarmy," "cheating" and "odor" is amusing, to say the least.

Bottom line for me personally? I've realized that I now regard violation of NCAA rules in much the same way that I regard violations of minor traffic laws. If you can get away with them without being caught, OK by me. (All right, that's not entirely true, but bear with me for a bit.)

In all seriousness, as the parent of a D1 athlete I believe firmly that collegiate athletics is a wonderful thing that provides the opportunity for young men and women to get a college education when otherwise they might not be able to. And I know for sure that college athletes are put onto a pedestal much less high than would have been the case in the 1950s, thanks to our cynical modern society. Sportswriters seem to get an especially firm stiffy when they get the chance to opine that Big College Sports is corrupt, venal, dirty, and [insert insulting and demeaning adjective here]. But they couldn't be more wrong - collegiate athletics are terrific, and they expand the educational mission of the universities in myriad wonderful ways.

Here's the deal: I observed when a high-school girls' track team (not one I cheered for, BTW) was forced to forfeit a meet they won because one of the girls wore a black sports bra under her singlet instead of a white one, as required by OHSAA rule. The wrong color sports bra. Granted, this was not tats-for-jerseys, but still - how bad was it? It was a rule set by a governing body of student athletics.

I have to admit I got a tear in my eye when I watched The Journey on BTN during the feature on Darius Morris, the young Wolverine hoopster whose best friend from HS died in January of this year from complications from numerous congenital conditions. And also during the feature on Brett Valentyn of Wisconsin, a walk-on sharpshooting guard whose big sister attends a few home games in her wheelchair (she also has been struck by several nasty congenital diseases that have sapped her strength and robbed her of her vision). The young cripples were inspired and given joy by the chance to see their heroes (best friend and brother, respectively) play, getting vicarious thrills by the athletic achievements of those players. What an ennobling and edifying experience college sports can be - and usually is.

Now, does Tressel's violation mean he has feet of clay? Yep, he sure does. But remember King David? God's favored was a pretty slimy dude in many ways; his good points, though, were enough to put his foibles well in the background in the grand scheme of things. No doubt Jim Tressel is going through some soul-searching, being told by the Powers That Be that he has done Really Bad Things by putting NCAA rules at too low a level of significance in his system of priorities.

But NCAA rules may not, in fact, be the most important thing to concern yourself with when you're charged with the lives of young men who, in many cases, come from pretty tough backgrounds. And who are likely to make selfish decisions that could run them afoul of the NCAA rules. And who, if you could sweep the minor stuff under the rug, would not come out of the experience less well-prepared for life After Buckeye.

This no doubt comes off sounding to many like a massive rant of self-delusion and inappropriate justification; maybe it is. But I have a new perspective on just how important NCAA rules are in the grand scheme of life - and that is, IMO, really not very. What's more important than those rules is whether the young men and women who leave your program are well-prepared to face life with the skills they need in order to make a difference. Based on what I've seen, Jim Tressel measures up about as well in this regard as any coach in college athletics. And maybe that's the conclusion E. Gordon Gee has come to as well.

"Smarmy?" Yeah, maybe JT is, a little. But "excellent," "caring," and "other-centered" too, without any doubt. Maybe that's what I care about most when I see a coach, and maybe I'm willing to put up with a few NCAA shenanigans if the coach we have exemplifies those virtues.

GO BUCKS! And Jim Tressel, I remain feeling proud and privileged that you are our head coach.


As we drill down, it really does appear to be no worse than jaywalking. In the grand scheme of things, caring for his players as if they were his own children was his main concern. Gene Smith, Jim Tressel, and Gordon Gee would have been well served by having a few of your words and insights this past week. Then again maybe they did. Great post. :osu:
 
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ginn421;1889554; said:
I would never, even after this whole issue, describe JT as "smarmy." Don't know where they're going with that one.

smarmy is barely a word in the dictionary. Smug ingratiating, false earnestness. It's more like this, the old guard represents the "old guard" thinking of the NCAA winning this duel.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNemXb-9bf8&feature=related"]YouTube - Ernest Goes to Jail - The Good the Bad and the Ernest[/ame]
 
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MaxBuck;1889520; said:
The juxtaposition of "smarmy," "cheating" and "odor" is amusing, to say the least.

Bottom line for me personally? I've realized that I now regard violation of NCAA rules in much the same way that I regard violations of minor traffic laws. If you can get away with them without being caught, OK by me. (All right, that's not entirely true, but bear with me for a bit.)

In all seriousness, as the parent of a D1 athlete I believe firmly that collegiate athletics is a wonderful thing that provides the opportunity for young men and women to get a college education when otherwise they might not be able to. And I know for sure that college athletes are put onto a pedestal much less high than would have been the case in the 1950s, thanks to our cynical modern society. Sportswriters seem to get an especially firm stiffy when they get the chance to opine that Big College Sports is corrupt, venal, dirty, and [insert insulting and demeaning adjective here]. But they couldn't be more wrong - collegiate athletics are terrific, and they expand the educational mission of the universities in myriad wonderful ways.

Here's the deal: I observed when a high-school girls' track team (not one I cheered for, BTW) was forced to forfeit a meet they won because one of the girls wore a black sports bra under her singlet instead of a white one, as required by OHSAA rule. The wrong color sports bra. Granted, this was not tats-for-jerseys, but still - how bad was it? It was a rule set by a governing body of student athletics.

I have to admit I got a tear in my eye when I watched The Journey on BTN during the feature on Darius Morris, the young Wolverine hoopster whose best friend from HS died in January of this year from complications from numerous congenital conditions. And also during the feature on Brett Valentyn of Wisconsin, a walk-on sharpshooting guard whose big sister attends a few home games in her wheelchair (she also has been struck by several nasty congenital diseases that have sapped her strength and robbed her of her vision). The young cripples were inspired and given joy by the chance to see their heroes (best friend and brother, respectively) play, getting vicarious thrills by the athletic achievements of those players. What an ennobling and edifying experience college sports can be - and usually is.

Now, does Tressel's violation mean he has feet of clay? Yep, he sure does. But remember King David? God's favored was a pretty slimy dude in many ways; his good points, though, were enough to put his foibles well in the background in the grand scheme of things. No doubt Jim Tressel is going through some soul-searching, being told by the Powers That Be that he has done Really Bad Things by putting NCAA rules at too low a level of significance in his system of priorities.

But NCAA rules may not, in fact, be the most important thing to concern yourself with when you're charged with the lives of young men who, in many cases, come from pretty tough backgrounds. And who are likely to make selfish decisions that could run them afoul of the NCAA rules. And who, if you could sweep the minor stuff under the rug, would not come out of the experience less well-prepared for life After Buckeye.

This no doubt comes off sounding to many like a massive rant of self-delusion and inappropriate justification; maybe it is. But I have a new perspective on just how important NCAA rules are in the grand scheme of life - and that is, IMO, really not very. What's more important than those rules is whether the young men and women who leave your program are well-prepared to face life with the skills they need in order to make a difference. Based on what I've seen, Jim Tressel measures up about as well in this regard as any coach in college athletics. And maybe that's the conclusion E. Gordon Gee has come to as well.

"Smarmy?" Yeah, maybe JT is, a little. But "excellent," "caring," and "other-centered" too, without any doubt. Maybe that's what I care about most when I see a coach, and maybe I'm willing to put up with a few NCAA shenanigans if the coach we have exemplifies those virtues.

GO BUCKS! And Jim Tressel, I remain feeling proud and privileged that you are our head coach.

Can I get a GPA!!!
 
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Beautiful.

We still want to believe the myth of Tressel so lets rationalize away the things he's been caught doing even though a large percentage of the pedestal we place him on has been built on the mistaken belief he is cut from an ethically/morally superior cloth than everyone else.

That's the same type of all in/hold the rope/Barwis!! type of delusional hero worship from up north we have had so much fun making fun of for the past 3 years.
 
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MaxBuck;1889520; said:
No doubt Jim Tressel is going through some soul-searching, being told by the Powers That Be that he has done Really Bad Things by putting NCAA rules at too low a level of significance in his system of priorities.

But NCAA rules may not, in fact, be the most important thing to concern yourself with when you're charged with the lives of young men who, in many cases, come from pretty tough backgrounds.

But I have a new perspective on just how important NCAA rules are in the grand scheme of life - and that is, IMO, really not very. What's more important than those rules is whether the young men and women who leave your program are well-prepared to face life with the skills they need in order to make a difference. Based on what I've seen, Jim Tressel measures up about as well in this regard as any coach in college athletics. And maybe that's the conclusion E. Gordon Gee has come to as well.

Maybe that's what I care about most when I see a coach, and maybe I'm willing to put up with a few NCAA shenanigans if the coach we have exemplifies those virtues.
Jim Tressel's primary task is to win football games - lots of them. He performs extremely well in that aspect of his job, perhaps better than anyone who has ever been the head coach of Ohio State's football team. Winning games is of primary importance because more wins = more money for Ohio State. Unfortunately, CFB is a big business, and that's how big business works.

Jim Tressel's secondary task is to keep the Ohio State football program and the individual members of the Ohio State football team in compliance with NCAA rules, because if there are NCAA violations within the football program, then task number one (winning games and making money) is jeopardized.

Being a good role model and a mentor to young men, teaching kids life skills and preparing them for the real world, that's all well and good, but those things aren't really the essence of Jim Tressel's job. Yes, they may have some very slight impact of task number one (winning games and making money), but there are plenty of CFB coaches who are apparently less nurturing than Jim Tressel who have been able to run successful programs and win lots of games and even championships, and remain NCAA compliant.

[As an aside here, if Jim Tressel's actions have tarnished the entire Ohio State football program ... if the leader of the program is now branded a "cheater" ... then how could that possibly be beneficial to any individual member of the program? In other words, is Jim Tressel really such a good role model and mentor, if he failed to abide by NCAA rules and then tried to cover up his failures? Just asking, not judging....]

As a parent of a D-1 athlete, your perspective might be somewhat different from mine. But for me, as a mere fan, I am concerned with Jim Tressel's leadership of the entire program - I want him to be clean and compliant, with no "NCAA shenanigans". I am not willing to trade major violations for players who "are well-prepared to face life with the skills they need in order to make a difference" once they leave the program. Sorry.

So, Jim Tressel may be the "right" person to mentor young men and teach life skills, but is he the "right" person to keep the Ohio State football program in the good graces of the NCAA?

BUCKYLE;1889670; said:
Ten bucks says LJB's never seen any of the Ernest franchise.
Yes, I did see Ernest Goes to Jail. Don't aks me why - it was a long time ago, and I really don't like talking about it. Fortunately, I was drunk at the time and don't remember very much about the movie.

Send the ten bucks to Clarity for the Spring Drive.
 
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LordJeffBuck;1889709; said:
Send the ten bucks to Clarity for the Spring Drive.

:slappy: You lying motherfucker! Fact: Everyone that's only seen one Ernest film has seen Ernest saves Christmas!

I'll send my money...all that I owe...soon enough. Where else can I go to read people talk shit about Jim Tressel?! :p
 
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The problem I have with this thinking is if we expect perfection we are ultimately going to be disappointed. Nobody is perfect. Rejecting a man because of his errors in judgement and refusing to look outside of an extremist view point that holds coaches to some sort of perfect image is crazy.

This is the problem with college athletics right now. It's a win at all costs but don't break a single rule while doing it. Tell me how was Auburn and/or ole miss not subjected to suspensions regarding cam and not reporting "possible" violations? The point: there is not one perfect person walking the planet right now. (including the fine folks at the NCAA) The last perfect person to walk on this earth was nailed to a cross.
 
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